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Old 04-02-2004, 04:10 AM
Lasiel
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Big difference between having pride in what you've created compared to flexing the ePenis Wiz. I don't see any flexing here by Jarin. In fact he doesn't really even get too cocky until others start in on him.

Either way, players have the ability to choose whatever server they play on. If one server starts doing extrememly well maybe some of the other server ops/admins should attempt to find out why they're losing players rather than attempt to down on someone because their server seems to attract people. Or the ops/admins can act like disgruntled 10 yr olds which does absolutely nothing for their server or their overall 'rep'.
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Old 04-02-2004, 08:42 AM
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I quote from this and another thread:

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Hmm Draclian Signus had been up for nearly two months, not more than 10 hours of downtime, perfect stability, yet no green name. Someone must be afraid we're actually going to get more users than their server. Or they're just holding back.
Suggestive that Draclian Signus is the best server, and is kept down by "The Man"

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No arguments about it. Draclian Signus is by far the most stable on the entire network. Nuff said.
Unbased "we are best" claim.

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I never said anything about right now. Who cares about the 130 GWs gets, I'm just saying once we get all our content in we should soar far above WR in terms of it.
Unbased "we will be best" claim.

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imo we can out-user any other server. We have 1.544 MB and up BW allowance, as well as a T1 connection. At 8k per user we can hold quite a few users, if you're smart enough to do the math yourself.
Unbased "we have the best connection" claim, as it is completely ignorant of the connections other servers run on.
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Old 04-02-2004, 10:35 AM
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Wiz, I'm not trying to get on your bad side or the Devs' bad sides, and that's really hard to do when you go and do something like this. I'm merely stating my opinion. If you don't like it, edit my posts.
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Old 04-02-2004, 11:15 AM
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Winter's roar sucks~

there wiz

The guy takes pride in his server, big deal. It is a good server. Ive played on it. Its fun, and its is stable, more stablility than I ever got on WR. Plus I can actually log onto his server. (and yes I have used the WR patcher, and yes I used to play there, and yes you nerf beastlords too much. and yes, I kept all the files up to date.)
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Old 04-02-2004, 11:22 AM
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hehe, angry about nerfing!
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Old 04-02-2004, 11:32 AM
dleg6183
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meh, I never really got mad about the nerfing. Its more of the 100+ kills you needed to get if you died. Id solo things in The Deep on WR with exp debt.. and id get about .75 % back, ya.. thats way worse than EQlive.
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Old 04-02-2004, 05:37 PM
Wiz
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Jarin: That wasn't just your opinion, as I underlined. You were making public boasts. If you make public boasts, you will get public reactions.

You apparently missed the point, mr. Dleg. But someone who gets mad over not being able to solo level 58 mobs probably would, yeah.

Not to mention the fact that exp debt was broken, and has been fixed since weeks back.
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Old 04-02-2004, 07:40 PM
Lasiel
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Personally I see it as a perception issue Wiz. What's boasting to one person is pride to another. /shrug
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Old 04-03-2004, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lasiel
Personally I see it as a perception issue Wiz. What's boasting to one person is pride to another. /shrug
Uh, no. There's something called definite claims. "We are", "I am", etc etc. When these claims are unfounded (as these are, since they provide no logic backing, no comparisions, no nothing) it is basically just empty boasting.

If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:11 AM
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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor
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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")
Then it's the same, and he is boasting.

Okay, you claim that to be proof? I don't see anyone complaining about the stability of You a GM too server, either.

Dude, seriously. Those claims were maybe not utterly unfounded, but still quite ignorant. I would bet my ass Jarin didn't exactly do any research on server stability or server connections before proclaiming he has the best one.
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Old 04-03-2004, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiz
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Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor
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If he had said something like, "We have one motha of a connection" or "Our content is amazingly diverse" it would have been just pride over the server. When you change that into, "Our connection is the best ever" or "Our content blows yours out the water" it turns into a claim. Which turns into boasting.

I fail to see something here...

Boasting usually comes out of pride, if i'm not mistaken... There's not many reasons for 'boasting' about something when you're not proud of it...


Also, I don't see many people here complaining about Draclian Signus' stability... but I do see people here complaining about the stability of other servers. Isn't that, in itself, a small amount of proof that Draclian Signus may very well be one of the most stable servers?

(Dictionary meaning: Boasting

"To speak with pride.")
Then it's the same, and he is boasting.

Okay, you claim that to be proof? I don't see anyone complaining about the stability of You a GM too server, either.

Dude, seriously. Those claims were maybe not utterly unfounded, but still quite ignorant. I would bet my ass Jarin didn't exactly do any research on server stability or server connections before proclaiming he has the best one.
Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
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Old 04-03-2004, 06:01 AM
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Wiz, the whole nerfing thing was just a joke added to the actual message. The message was:

my testimony, that Draclian Signus is more stable that Winter's Roar was for me personally.

Also, if you want to be a prick about it. Winter's Roar is becoming more and more like Like EQlive and Wiz is just like Sony, turning a fun game into a long boring repetitive one.
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Old 04-03-2004, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dleg6183
Wiz, the whole nerfing thing was just a joke added to the actual message. The message was:

my testimony, that Draclian Signus is more stable that Winter's Roar was for me personally.

Also, if you want to be a prick about it. Winter's Roar is becoming more and more like Like EQlive and Wiz is just like Sony, turning a fun game into a long boring repetitive one.
Aye, well said mate.
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Old 04-03-2004, 06:35 AM
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Wiz: We're just that good. Get over it. You can bet your entire ass away, for all I care. I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post. Afterall, that was a Server Comments board. It never says you can't comment on your own server. And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you? You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
Let me pick apart this.

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Wiz: We're just that good.
Now, how does that rhyme with...

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I'm not saying our content will definately be better than yours, but that's just my opinion. I think it would be equally good in terms of quality, maybe not quantity, but they differ from yours in such a way that they cannot be compared until they are fully implemented. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
So basically, you are saying after all, that are you best. Righto.

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I take pride in our work, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to reply nor even view the post.
This is a pathetic cop-out. That's like saying I can write racial slurs all over the board if I want, because you don't have to read it. If you stick your ass out in the wind, except to get frostbite.

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And if someone posted that we had the worst connection, doubtful, I'm sure you would say nothing of their unbiased claims, would you?
Not really. That'd not be up to me, because it doesn't include me, whereas, "I have a better connection than everyone" does. But what you did was state a blatant lie, or alternatively a belief. Not an opinion. Opinions are backed up by facts. Tell me what kind of a connection I have. Or GW has. Or RA. Or you a GM too server. Can't? Thought so. So you have no clue on which connection is the best. I'm not gonna tolerate bullshit because you believe freedom of speech applies to private message boards.

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You just couldn't handle someone being better. That's just how EqEmu is.
This is the greatest line of them all. First you (as per usual, completely ignorantly) fit me into a certain fold, so that it applies to who you would WANT to argue against. The only thing I've said along, Jarin-buddy, and I'll take it reeeeaaal nice and slow for you, here.

You want to make a boast in public that you're best?

P R O V E I T

It's not just "your opinion". It's not just "don't like it, don't read it". If I go to a public basketball court and tell every guy there, "I own your ass at basketball", do you really expect them to not either:

A) Roll their eyes and laugh at me.

OR

B) Challenge me to put my money where my mouth is.

And that's what I'm doing, Jarin-buddy. I don't care a whit if your server has a better connection or is more stable than WR. I don't care a whit if you, or mr nerf-not-beastlords likes DC more than WR. What I do care about is lying and spreading misinformation about hard facts.
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