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[Stealth_raptor]

I didn't realise I was talking about the effect of the sanctions on (and after) 11th of July 2003 when '500 tonnes of medical supplies' were shipped to Iraq. The damage was done by then....in case you forgot about that part.

And...also...what ARE you talking about? Why do I have to get raw data when the things i'm talking about are right there in that nice big report?

[RexChaos]

Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor

On another note (Have to add this on the topic of 'war')...No wonder there are people who don't like the US when they have killed over 500,000 children under the age of 5 (Yes, that's half a million) because of their sanctions. That's close to the number of innocent people they killed in Hiroshima with those nukes.

I'll go back to your original post to comment on it...

You're wrong. Plain and simple. Wrong. Sanctions didn't kill. You're only reading half the story. The sanctions weren't in place so the US could say "Hey! Let's see how many babies we can kill today!" They were there because Iraq invaded Kuwait and had stockpiles of weapons. (I still don't believe the WMD theory...not theory...bullshit basically). The alternative to sanctions? Going in and blowing the place up (hey...weeeee're baaaack).

And since you want to post random statistics without some sort of logic behind them, I'll post statistics back that only tell half the story. By your reasoning, we killed a whole lot of Jews too, because we didn't intervene in WW2 soon enough.

As for your Hiroshima comment... still wrong.

[Stealth_raptor]

Yes, I admit I was wrong with the Hiroshima thing. Spoke too soon and it was late. However, i'm not backing down at all on the subject of the sanctions.

You're wrong. Plain and simple. Wrong. Sanctions didn't kill.

You really want me to quote my second and fifth post, don't you? Just read them again if you're still unsure.

You seem to be running out of puff, Rex

[RexChaos]

Originally Posted by Stealth_raptor

Yes, I admit I was wrong with the Hiroshima thing. Spoke too soon and it was late. However, i'm not backing down at all on the subject of the sanctions.

You really want me to quote my second and fifth post, don't you? Just read them again if you're still unsure.

You seem to be running out of puff, Rex

Nah, I'm just getting bored, but to amuse you I'll repeat myself and you can try addressing my statement this time instead of skipping it:

"You're only reading half the story."

It's kind of like saying, "well he died of a bullet wound so a gun must have killed him" Why did he die of a bullet wound? Who pulled the trigger? Who sold the gun? Who didn't stop the killer?

What the point of this has been all along is that you can't just pull out facts and say "This happened because of______" There's many reasons why things happen.

Initially you gave no dates, so I assumed you were talking about recent events. So I was disputing your claims based on the past several years. Your figures are correct in the matter regarding the deaths of children of Iraq...BUT, you should go back and read ltruss's post regarding the Oil-for-Food program. People did try to help. And because of the ruling party, that help was ineffective.

My point is that you are not wrong, but you are not stating all of the facts involving this.

And that's how I'm going to wrap this up. This shit is starting to depress me...I'm just gonna go beat up sand giants now and pretend they're Saddam.

[Stealth_raptor]

You know, I feel exactly the same way as you. I find it boring also, but I keep coming back to post again and again.

Now... i've posted LOTS of information that i'm sure you haven't read in full (This is in regard to the effect of U.S sanctions). At least go read it.

I did read about the 'oil-for-food' program, by the way...Sounds like it was established in 1995 when quite a bit of damage had been done by the U.S sanctions already.