US Draft

is that woman are not allowed to serve in combat.

Think again man, my wife is over in Iraq right now doing roving patroles and doing house clearing, and she is a Generator mechanic.........

but they would server in jobs that would keep them off the front lines

There is a front line in todays battle field?

have yet to see a female in an infantry unit. The closest I have personnaly seen them is in communication units, which is usually well out of harms way.

There in the infantry now too, at least in the army. There is and has been females in the mech inf units on Fort Hood for years now, over the last couple years there starting to head into the infantry units as well, not as infantry just support roles but still the infantry's support is right with them.

My last unit was 100% mental health professionals and they were over there in fire fights and doing patroles with the MP's / infantry and there 90% officers and 80% females. So in todays "modern" battle field yes women are in harms way. Heck even the cooks are out doing patroles now.


Women have been pushing for equil rights for many years now, for anyone to say this should happen cause there women is setting that movment back decades. I wish every day it was me over there and not my wife, but she keeps telling me this is the way its sopose to be, equil means equil not equil sometimes.

[Time_bomb]

The Draft can be good, what happens when it doesnt pass, and no one is in the army?
Were screwed =/
Hopefuly we dont gotz another president that sends us to war.

I voted against it tho, cuz no way in hell im going to go get shot at, i just say NUKE IRAQ!!!!

[Chyld989]

Originally Posted by mikenune

While I personally find it repugnant that women would be forced into military service, I feel exactly the same way about forcing men to serve.

Yay! Finally someone I agree with!

I completely oppose the draft. I don't think anyone should be forced to go off to what might be their death. There is no reason to have to force people to fight for a country that they might consider shitty, when there are so many people that are willing to do so.

Also, anyone that is saying that women shouldn't be included in the draft (if it comes to pass) is a sexist. Someone brought up the point of "would you want your sister, or daughter, or girlfriend, or wife going off to war, possibly to die" (paraphrased quote, sorry if it's not quite right). My answer to that: Hell no. But you know what? I also wouldn't want to see my brother, or my dad, or any of my friends go to off to war, possibly to die either. Who decided that it's okay for the country's men to get killed, but if anyone mentions the same thing happening to women they're suddenly shunned. It's rediculous.

One last thing before I go: I can't believe nobody mentioned (at least in the first 2 pages, after that I got bored with people bitching and decided to post my own response) that if the draft passes, even people in school aren't safe. It always used to be that if you were currently enrolled in school, you couldn't be drafted. That's gonna change if this thing passes...
/shrug Just thought I'd throw it out there.

*NOTE* The views expressed in this post are only the poster's opinion, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of anyone else. Because these are this poster's opinion, they are, in no way, "wrong", and any attempt to say they are will be completely ignored because that will clearly prove that you're too fucking retarded to continue living. Thank you.

[Shinar Eli]

Couple of very nice statements are listed here. I really don't believe anyone outright says, "Hey lets draft our young men and women for a war." It is seen as a need for the greater good of our country, our freedoms, and our way of life for us, our family and friends, and our future people growing up and yet to be born.

On the other hand, the draft does push us to support our country in a way that says it means something to us. Look at all the men and women who actually gave their lives for us to establish this nation and have help defend it, or others seeking the same thing we already have helped.

As far as bashing Bush, most people sound like they listen to the media, who never give you the full and true story. There are alot of things that Bush may wish to do, but he has to have the APPROVAL of the congress to do. It just doesn't happen because any ONE president wishes it so. We give our presidents too much credit and too little credit.

As far as Iraqi, and how it is handled. If we had another nation coming to our doorstep to oust a president that was killing our people by the 100's of thousands, and gassing people we would praise them. However, at the same time, we would have those who gained from that leadership who would still be able to cause a great deal of trouble by all the terror they would cause upon the public to help, to enlist terrorist from other nations, and those still in the country. Couldn't you see the havoc hands full of people could cause all across this country to any one nations army if they wanted. Too easy to make them look bad, if they are abiding by any acts of decent warfare.

Shouldn't judge any president in a hard situation like Iraqi. It was never going to be easy helping them. They have been oppressed within and on all sides for well over 30 yrs.

Just a quick statement to the one who is German. I don't believe as many people think of Germans with Hitler in mind. I have lived in Germany for 10 years, and it is one of the few countries I TOTALLY love. The people are awesome, and the culture is something to appreciate. Give some of us more credit than that. Germany has alot to offer.

Agree concerning women. It should be choice only on serving. I think it hurts moral, and it isn't wise as a nation to send the women who have the hardest responbility on the earth to such conflicts. They have and raise our future leaders, professionals, and young responsible men and women of the nation.

Last thought, we are not accountable to the U.N. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not. The U.N. did not create our nation. The U.N. does not exist as any entity that supports the U.S. Period! They are actually more corrupt and supportive of nations that would take away our freedoms, right to own property, right to bear arms, and our rights to live soverign.

Without the support of the U.S. the U.N. would not even exist. We are and have always been the largest contributor. WHY?!

It's sad to see our nation being twisted by the media and all it's lies. Wonder if we ever had UNBIAS media in our lifetime.

That is my say.....at the moment I do support Bush! Not an easy job! Just remember....congress has not only the power to do their own thing, but to stop things he might wish to help us. They have their own agenda too.

[Xeptix]

i'm joining the navy before i turn 18 anyways~ i dont care either way, draft = easier on the people who want to be there imo, because they're more likely to be advanced heh

[Sicarius39]

Not to take away from the subject of drafting women, but back to jezebell's point. Arguing over whether Israel belongs to Palestine or RJfAtW (Random Jews from Around the World) is a pointless argument, and it comes down to you think one way or the other. Personally, I think the country belongs to Palestine, regardless of any UN agreement or US/Jewish decision.

When it comes to the draft, I personally oppose it since it includes women. I don't consider myself a sexist, but I do think the sexes differ in many fundamental ways. I'm not a Phyllis Schlafly, but the sexes ARE different, women are better at some things and men are better at others. When it comes to women in the military, maybe I'm conservative when it comes to this issue, but I disagree.

However, when it comes to the war in Iraq, I have to completely agree with Jezebell. It is becoming harder and harder to justify the war in Iraq, simply because all of the reasons that we (the public) were given by Fox News and MSNBC news and CNN have fallen apart. From Colin Powel's anthrax speech in front of the UN to the "transfer of power" in 4 days, the Iraq war simply isn't justified.

When it comes down to it, what country fulfill's Bush's "requirements" for invasion?

Can you guess what country I'm thinking of.....

This country has a well documented nuclear program.
This country has never signed a nuclear proliferation treaty.
This country terrorizes its own citizens.
This country herds people into refugee camps.
This country tears down people's homes in order to "root out terror"
This country commits terrorist acts against civilians.
This country is building a wall to completely seal itself off from civiilians attempting to return to their homes.

What country is it? Iraq?
Fuck no, its Israel.

Just my 2 cents

[DeathMan]

Bush is a dumbass. Plain and simple.

[JohnRev]

So, if the draft is truly reinstated, do you all think there will be another Hippie/Protest/Drug subculture type ordeal, to protest the war?

Fuck war...

[Ehpode]

I got an E-mail from a friend and it had this link to a web site that gives alot of insite to what our enimies in Iraq are trying to do and what thier plans are, hope it help answer some of your questions.

http://www.insiderreport.net/clash_1-2.html

[aziraphale]

You guys are so freaking ignorant.

[Melwin]

Originally Posted by aziraphale

You guys are so freaking ignorant.

While this may be true, it doesn't contribute shit to the thread.

Don't keep up this habit. <3

[RangerDown]

IMO this thread needs to go to off topic. It has nothing to do with Emu.

Personally I'd like to see it pig penned but that's just my biased self :o

[Melwin]

Originally Posted by RangerDown

IMO this thread needs to go to off topic. It has nothing to do with Emu.

Personally I'd like to see it pig penned but that's just my biased self :o

Take it up with image.

[RangerDown]

Yo! Image!

OT this sheeit! :lol:

[soulshank]

ahhh only in the usa can we have a prez. with 4th grade grammar skills.
.... and another thing kerry protested against vietnam or should i say our troops in vietnam. hell we didnt want to be there either
he could have at least supported our troops.
even though vietnam was a huge screw up there is no reason to go against your fellow patron!
hell we might as well turn into a communist nation with either of these fools in office.