Lucid Zek server ... not by SOE and not EQemu?

[vetoeq]

I saw this tread over on the sk boards that I still troll from time to time...what is this server?

http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21446

[Mongrel]

The only thing that makes that server "not affliated with EQEMu" is the fact that they don't use EQEMus login server.
They're basically using a program between minilogin and "our" public login that assigns accounts by their IP and not their user/passsword (Lucid Vision didn't crack the encryption).

Anyone can write such a "login server". Lucid Vision still uses all of the EQEMu code (with customizations, of couse).

[RexChaos]

I just want to say that their code rocks and they've done some great work. If you're into PvP, that server is going to be hard to beat...

[Swampdog]

They're basically using a program between minilogin and "our" public login that assigns accounts by their IP and not their user/passsword (Lucid Vision didn't crack the encryption).

I wonder how that works with folks that don't have a static IP address or people that travel and still like to play from a different location. I'd be curious to hear from some of the other server ops not using the eqemu login servers in order to run private servers to hear how everyone is setting them up. Are they all IP based account detection and does anyone have a "login server" that is being distributed?

[88mustang50lx]

I wonder how that works with folks that don't have a static IP address or people that travel and still like to play from a different location.

They just have to sign in at the log-in webpage(favorite it) each time they want to play on the server

[KhaN]

They just have to sign in at the log-in webpage(favorite it) each time they want to play on the server.
This is an example on how to make it difficult when you can make it simple.

[Derision]

They just have to sign in at the log-in webpage(favorite it) each time they want to play on the server.
This is an example on how to make it simple when you can make it difficult.

At the risk of being banned, I read at the Lucid Vision website that they made there own login procedure because they got banned from using the EQEmu login servers for advertising their server in ooc on Guildwars ... /shrug

[KhaN]

for advertising their server in ooc on Guildwars ... /shrug
Official or semi-official version ?
And if its the official version, i will say that no one is stupid enought to go in its company office to make publicity about its newly created company, you have chance to fired.

[Kambic]

http://www.lucid-vision.org/phpBB2/index.php

Link to their forums. Standing with two years of RZ behind me and two more years of SZ on top of that, and a summer on the original GuildWars (and GM-ing there), they are doing PvP right.

Did they get their stuff from EQEmu? Duh yeah. Ever heard of HackersQuest? Probably not, because y'all are newbs and only just now jumped on the whole emulation thing, this isn't brand new its just finally in the last year or so gotted refined.

Judging from the only reference I have found to EQEmu made by a GM of LZ, basically their position is that EQEmu gave them the middle finger, but they are cool with EQEmu. So really I don't know what gives.

They have got a few guys who seem to know what they are doing, and a server capable of being a server (holding a hundred people in the zone, not just on the whole server - and this is happening).

Nothing they are doing is meant to tear down EQEmu, so I'm not sure why folks over here are getting so peeved about it: don't try to tear them down. If you don't like it pass on, but man read up on their stuff, what is there to complain about?

[killspree]

Have you ever realized EQEMU works far better and has far more features than Hackersquest, and hasn't been around as long? So really, who is the newb?

[Kambic]

Congratulations.

Of course EQEmu is far past whatever HackersQuest was, but if it wasn't for HQ, where would EQEmu be today?

[Charmy]

The HQ emulator Blows right now, probably always will, they don't have enough people working on the emulator, all the people on HQ are working on trainers for eqlive, so the emulator is full of collision errors, and they haven't fixed them in the last 2 months.

Nothing they are doing is meant to tear down EQEmu, so I'm not sure why folks over here are getting so peeved about it: don't try to tear them down. If you don't like it pass on, but man read up on their stuff, what is there to complain about?


i don't think anyone ever said they were trying to tear down eqemu, and i also don't believe anyone is "peeved" about them using eqemu code, if the devs are upset i mean, it is an open source project...right?

Edit: if you ever decied to play on this server watch out for people who could be devs/gm's just playing normal, they give themselves custom items named after some of the people who host the server and you will get raped, i read this from a post, i didn't actually experience it, but just an fyi to anyone who is thinking of trying to play it.

Edit2.. this guy needs to be shot for his avatar.
http://www.lucid-vision.org/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2

[Swampdog]

Not sure what put you in the defensive Kambic, scrolling back nobody said anything to tear down the folks at LV. In fact, I think all the comments on the server in this thread have been positive and agreed with your statements about it being a positive server.

Due to my question about the login server part it sparked a side discussion on the login server process and how they could be doing it without using the eqemu loginservers. There may have been some negatives posting about the way they are doing the process, but hey, they have it working and if it works for them great but others may not like it for themselves.

At any rate, was just kinda shocked by your response and couldn't find anything that would prompt such a defensive stance.

[Charmy]

Due to my question about the login server part it sparked a side discussion on the login server process and how they could be doing it without using the eqemu loginservers. There may have been some negatives posting about the way they are doing the process, but hey, they have it working and if it works for them great but others may not like it for themselves.


Well i have said it many times, i am not a very skilled C programer but if you have the source for eqemu world.exe you can easliy understand how it connects to a login server and what information needs to be sent between the two programs inorder for it to work properly, so would it not simply be a matter of writing a program that would be listening on the correct ports, and then sending the proper information to world.exe when somone is logged in or not? i could be very naive here becuase i don't understand exactly what information is send back and forth, but i don't imainge it would be a difficult task for a talented programmer.... would it?

[Kambic]

I probably misinterpreted some of Khan's posts. And maybe just the in-general lack of LZ info.

And re-reading mine it does come off as uber defensive heh.

I am not sure how many of you played GW, but I did and now looking at LZ it just seems like GW finally done right and knowing the previous GW people and their "its free take our BS" attitudes, I at least foresee some angst coming from that department (I suppose not the primary EQEmu userbase).

[Misunderstood]

Um wow. Maybe i should try to clear a few things up.

LV has been in the killing business for years, and in many games. EQ, DAoC, SB, Planetside, etc. We love PvP. We played as a guild on GW, but when it became apparent that there was GM Corruption we spoke out, and were criticized, called liars, and banned from the server. devn00b told us to prove it, and we provided the PROOF (http://www.lucid-vision.org/pwned/proof.jpg). Then told us to "F"-off and make our own "Effin" server. So we did. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't some bad blood between us (always liked image tho) but the n00b was a pain. Our guild abandoned GW and myself an ex-Microsoft developer, and a guildmate who is a CS major at CalPoly decided to take devn00b up on the challenge and make our own custom pvp server. We've had fun doing it and appreciate the work the eqemu team has put into the project.

We planned on being part of this community and held no grudges. Made a ton of fixes to the code. The day before we planned on releasing full group fixes among other fixes, Stenky (the other LV Emu dev) was banned from public Login server (not GW, Login server).

Not only did he ban our server from eqemulator login, but publicly posted on our boards that the day it went up he would personally trash it. Turns out he had already handed out our emu login name/pass to people like Harney and his friends when our 'closed beta' server was hosted on your emulator login. devn00b and his friends also attempted to HACK (http://www.lucid-vision.org/lvemu/hackers.jpg) our website many times with SQL injections but failed.

Thats about the time we wiped our hands clean of anything related to eqemu. We never /ooc spammed ads for our server on GW. Our website gets over 1 million hits a month (we've made alot of friends and enemies over the years) and had no desire to take thier players or announce our intentions on thier server. Those were disgruntled GW players doing that which we had about as much control over as we do the weather.

As for the EQCrypto - with a little help from an unnamed EQIM trillian plug-in developer we got it. In fact have a C# version, but it's unstable as hell, so we went with a customized minilogin (using a forum login/MD5 encrypted pass/IP/ASP/Anti-Spoof) solution. I'm surprized how well it runs actually.

Now that devn00b has left the eqEmu team, i don't see why we wouldn't release our FIXES (http://www.lucid-vision.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=47699#47699) to the emulator community when we feel its ready for prime time. To be frank, we are still leary of using the Emulators Login server. We've actually given our source code to two Emulator server owners so they can have our fixes. We have over 690 registerd Open Beta testers, and the hardware/bandwith to handle them. I think we'll be knocking many more bugs out - as our desire has only been to have a 'balanced' and fun EQ pvp server.

RexChaos - you're a good guy and overly helpful. Thanks for the kind words and your database help.

I guess thats all I have to say on the matter. At the risk of being accused of "advertising" again, I'll end this post (assuming it doesn't get deleted ... most of our previous posts have been deleted by devn00b and our eqemu forum accounts banned).


Ghecko
Lucid Vision Emu Developer
Jesus Loves You!

[Scoops]

First off i want to say Ghecko is GOD and second of all i could not agree more, i have been wateing for a server like Lucid-Vision PvP server where people log on to have a good time and just about anything goes (3rd Party Progs is the only big thing besides EXPLOITING) but LV pVp server shows what a PvP server should be like, Third and Last, i would give my life to save any of the LV Server dev team in a life or death situation!

- Im done here, the rest of my posts will be on the LV pvp borads where my natural habitat is,

- <3 Lucid-Vision!

- aka ShadowNoobie on LV boards!

[RexChaos]

Thanks Ghecko. :) Any time you need some help you just holla! Best of luck with the server. Don't let any fucktards try to steer you wrong.

[kirban1]

Owned.

Long live Gecko~

devn00b and his friends also attempted to HACK our website many times with SQL injections but failed.


This is the sad part. I knew the n00b was an idiot but I didnt think he was THAT currupt. Glad he's gone, maybe GW will be a better place from now on.

[DataMan4971]

Awwwww, Dev used to be my friend...

oh well,,, you act like a fucktard, you lose....

[Kambic]

Out of curiosity, was dev in any way related to delvahart hehe

[Edgar1898]

I dont know all that happened between you guys and dev, so I wont point fingers at anyone and judge anyone else without knowing all the facts. I am a little irritated about the fact that the original message contained a link that said the server was not affiliated with eqemu. Although you might have a different defination than I do, I consider any server that is based on code that I and the other developers have written for the eqemu project to be affiliated with the project. Unfortunately whatever transpired between you and devn00b has set us with a negative image. Your making a pvp server with eqemu based code, which is great, hopefully it will last as long as the administrators wish and the players will enjoy it. I have looked at the ruleset and it does seem to be a nice server, hell I might even play on it. But please dont let what happened between you and devn00b set a bad rep for the project. Although devn00b represents the project, I wouldnt expect or want everyone to start hating the entire project if I myself were to get in a fight with a server admin. I would expect people (maybe too much to ask) to realize that projects are made up of groups of individuals with very different personalities. The actions of one person shouldnt turn people away from the project. Anyways back to my point, please dont say your server isnt affiliated with eqemu, because its a slap in the face to every developer that has worked countless hours working on the code. Since your server is based on our code, it is (by my definition) affiliated with us.

[killspree]

I'd just like to make it clear that my post was in no means an attack on the quality of server Lucid Visions is running. I just simply had to defend the great project EQEMU is, because it's definitely the top emulator out there for EverQuest.

You guys have a good looking server starting up, and I wish you luck. I might even play on it some when I get the time. ;)

[Stenky]

I understand where you are coming from Lethal. I also respect your work very much; calling you anything short of a genius would be a mistake.

That post on the SK site referenced above was not made by any developer of the LV server. Please do not take it as a slap in the face, when someone that doesnt work on our project posts something inaccurate.

However,

I can see where that poster came from in saying we are not affiliated with EQemu. Regardless of where your definition of the word "affiliated" stands, people will be more apt to use it in its dictionary sense:

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[Edgar1898]

I didnt take offense to it, just a little irritated because I thought the original poster got his information directly from the server admins and developers. I was never mad about it, I just didnt know the official position of your team. It was not my intention to piss anyone off, I wanted to set things straight between us. I hope you guys wont hold a grudge against the project, and I hope we can all work together towards the downfall of SOE! :P Anyways I have to get working on this login stuff (which btw sony is stupid for not encrypting any information, including the passwd). All someone has to do is write a simple sniffer and put it on a universities network to grab a crap load of accounts.

[Kambic]

Just a P.S. from a GW1 player:

Lethal owns :)

[Swampdog]

Just a P.S. from a GW1 player:

Lethal owns :)

You have just increased your skill in brown-nosing!

heheh /ducks and hides

[Scoops]

Lethal made GuildWars what it is by name and by game, devn00b shit on it and made it torture to play, i was like when you logged on to GW you logged into HELL, i was he ego that made it bad, if not for dev's ego then the server would have been AWSOME, he thought he was god because he created a database, and "HELPED" run one of EQEmu's best servers, and yes btw i said yes helped.

thats my 10 cents

devn00b attitude has no effect on the way i looked and will look at the EQEmu dev team i think what you guys have done is a awsome feat in Emu history, I would like to say thank you to all the EQEmu Dev team (except devn00b).!!

[Edgar1898]

heh nah image was the original creator of guildwars, I just took it over for a few months after he shut it down the first time.

[Zemekes]

I'm the one who posted that on the SK boards, i'm just a normal eq player who has been playing eqemu since i quit eqlive.... what i meant by saying not affiliated with EQemu was pretty much that you won't be finding it on the EQemu server select screen that is all, didn't mean to piss the makers off by saying it, i'm just a n00b who plays to much eq ><

[mikenune]

. . . I am a little irritated about the fact that the original message contained a link that said the server was not affiliated with eqemu. Although you might have a different defination than I do, I consider any server that is based on code that I and the other developers have written for the eqemu project to be affiliated with the project. . . Anyways back to my point, please dont say your server isnt affiliated with eqemu, because its a slap in the face to every developer that has worked countless hours working on the code. Since your server is based on our code, it is (by my definition) affiliated with us.
So, just because I use PHP and MySQL in my web development I'm affiliated with PHP and MySQL Inc.?

Sure, it'd be nice if they mentioned that they're using the EQEMu codebase for their server, but they don't have to. It's an open source project.

[Edgar1898]

If you modified mysql and released an altered version, you would be affiliated with them, yes. Just because its open source doesnt mean you can slap a sticker on it and claim its not affiliated. (note: Not what happened in this case with LV, just saying)

[RangerDown]

If you modified mysql and released an altered version, you would be affiliated with them, yes.

MySQL, Inc. tells you, "You get to support it."

[Mango]

Using that logic - The EQEmulator Project is affiliated with Sony, SoE, and Everquest Live. Which your webpage up front very clearly says that you are not.

We have always been very clear on the code, and have great respect for the EQEmu developers and their contributions. However, we are *NOT* affiliated with the EQEmu Project in any way. This wasn't our initial choice, but it is nonetheless a reality. Our official response can be found in this linked post.

http://www.lucid-vision.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3701

Are you affiliated with EQEmulator (http://www.eqemulator.net) project? :
Good question. Our server is a highly modified version of the free eqemulator source code geared totally towards balanced pvp. As far as our 'affiliation' with them - lets just say our faction needs alot of work, as they currently /con "scowling" - and leave it at that.


Without going in depth on the various attacks directed at LV by the EQEmu Project. The reality is that outside of the small group of people who visit this board, or play on some of the servers that stay away from the politics and nonsense that go on internally.(And there are some very good and well done servers out there.) EQEmu's reputation is simply terrible. I'd go as far to say, that some of the attraction towards LV's work is because we are an independant entity, and not associated with a project that is largely viewed as corrupt and a poor place to play. As i helped put the LV project together, i was actually surprised at the near universal disdain that people tended to have towards emulated EQ servers. Disdain that stems largely from the actions of your own representatives and developers.

If it were me in your position: I'd worry more about cleaning house, then worrying about who was affiliated or associated with who. You will find people a lot less ashamed to be part of or affiliated with a project that was respectable, then one that was ruled over and dominated by some powermad asshat.

[mangoo]

Ugh....Mango needs a name change :shock: .

[Mango]

Used to be Mangar, but whenever Devnoob seen a post here under the "Mangar" name he would delete it.

So... I prayed to Jesus. I said to him "Jesus.. How can i counter this uber tactic?" at which point Jesus listened and said... "My son.. Devnoob's a fucking moron. Just use your brain." and then he mumbled some shit about Mary Magdalene liking it in the pooper or something.. and sent me off.

So with my newfound knowledge of Devnoob's inherent stupidity - I switched the name to Mango in order to fool him, and it's been working ever since.

Mangar and Jesus 1 - Stupid People 0 : Gotta love the J-Man!

[mangoo]

Ya um I hope my pal devn00b bans you, because you certainly diserve it.

[Kambic]

I really hope the above poster is joking heh

[RexChaos]

Mangar and Jesus 1 - Stupid People 0 : Gotta love the J-Man!


Your faction standing with EQEmu residents has gotten better!

[mikenune]

At the risk of getting myself into trouble, I agree with "Mango." While I personally have never had any "real" contact with n00b (I've seen him once in-game - BTW, LOVE THE LOLLIPOP! - but never really talked to him), I think Devn00b could use an attitude adjustment.

Going from some of the posts that I've seen him make or respond to regarding Guild Wars, I think he has some serious entitlement issues. Either that or he's falling into the trap that Mr. Gabriel of penny-arcade.com (http://www.penny-arcade.com/) described as The Internet Fuckwad Theory (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19).

Personally, I would love to see more devs with the attitudes of a_Guest03 and Scorpious2K. I don't think it's going to happen though.

Speaking purely for myself, Mango, I would love to see you around here more often. A man (woman?) with your vision and dedication to the EQ emulating community should be celebrated, not ostracized.

[a_Guest03]

Thanks for the mention!

I've been away at school for the past 6 months, and it will probably continue for at least another month.

[DeletedUser]

Mango / Mangar and mikenune, no flaming on the forums and that includes flaming devn00b, got it? Good.

Are you affiliated with EQEmulator project? :
Good question. Our server is a highly modified version of the free eqemulator source code geared totally towards balanced pvp. As far as our 'affiliation' with them - lets just say our faction needs alot of work, as they currently /con "scowling" - and leave it at that.

That looks more to me like a spit in the face as there is no way you are mentioning that you respect our project only that one of our devs has a grudge against you and you say the entire project 'scowls' at you.

Plus Mango / Mangar I don't think too highly of you or your opinions due to the fact that your icon has Hitler in it and your signature takes a religious figure (Jesus) and turn him into your bitch (yes my family is Catholic if you have not guessed). Also to see that you flame devn00b just as much as he flames you, I don't see you as any higher on the chain of maturity.

Finally I would like to point out another possible spit in the face:


I guess I can step in here and say the +4/-4 range is my fault. I think its my fault anyway....

There is something odd the emulator does to special attacks ( bow / bash / monk specials / disarm ) that only allows them to work if that player is within 4 levels ( while in pvp mode and not duel mode ). I have assumptions that this is in the client ( I can detect that no packet is being received when a special is made and a player out of that level limit is the target ). However, I am not positive it is not fixable in the emulator, to be honest I havent put much time into that specific..... 4 levels felt fine to me since I had been an old Rallos Zek player like most of you.

Nerd talk aside, what this means to you:

If we extend the level limit to +/- 10 levels, anyone 5 higher or lower cannot hit you with special attacks and also cannot be hit by them. This reduces mele balance, since casters dont really have any specials anyway.


GuildWars has no problems of the sort with this 'level restriction' that you are talking about and you are saying its the emulators fault it cannot be changed, but posted above it says it 'might' be your fault, lol.. sounds like you are a rather confused man.

[mikenune]

Image, I was about to say that I didn't flame n00b. Then I realized that my mentioning of the Internet Fuckwad Theory kind means I actually did. . .

I would like to apologize to Devn00b. My post wasn't meant as a flame, simply as a possible explanation of his actions.

[Edgar1898]

well this topic is just going to start another flame war.

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