The Irreverent is coming back..

[Wizzel]

I agree with oldlurker for once. People should share code to further the emu but as far as the server, I don't quite care. There are bigger and crazier servers in the works. I voted for share the code, but if there was an option "fix your forums", I would have chosen that.

-Wizzel

[Steel]

I voted public.I was about to PM you on that subject when i seen the poll.I didnt know it was private till i seen the poll.

I was going to ask you where i could get the scaled down level DB because im in the hospital alot and there is no Inet connection there.Im expected to be there for a very very extended time.They've not given me the full details as to how it will be worked(in-time/out-time) but the nurse told me the procedure could take around 4 years.They are talking of replacing my skin from my knees to the back of my head-so go figure.Soloable EQ was my thoughts on how it shouldve been since day one and i applaid the hell outa what you done.So thats why i voted public release.Ty

[froglok23]

First, please do not take this the wrong way, People having their own servers and staffs are great.

However, What about the possibility, instead of another server, get involved in one that’s already under way and help build its code / user base up?

That way, it’s just not another server with low population, but instead enhancing a server with more support and building on it to make it more desirable for users to join and play on?

I might be completely off tap here and I certainly don’t want to discourage you from having your own server/staff/users. I’m just offering another option/possibility.

Cheers,

froglok

[John Adams]

Froggy, same reason everyone in EQ had to be a guild leader of a 6-man guild.

One of the good things about EMu is, everyone can play god for a while, until they realize it's futile, and no matter what they do it's never good enough and quit.

[beerbong]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Froggy, same reason everyone in EQ had to be a guild leader of a 6-man guild.

One of the good things about EMu is, everyone can play god for a while, until they realize it's futile, and no matter what they do it's never good enough and quit.

+2 pointssss

[TheLieka]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Froggy, same reason everyone in EQ had to be a guild leader of a 6-man guild.

One of the good things about EMu is, everyone can play god for a while, until they realize it's futile, and no matter what they do it's never good enough and quit.

Originally Posted by beerbong

+2 pointssss

It really is kinda of ironic how much work goes into a server that "sucks". A guy can spend 720 hours tweaking code, database, hardware, network, etc, and there will be players that spend all their time bitching about things: "WHY DOESN'T FRENZY WORK?!"... "WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REBOOT FOR AN UPDATE?!#$!@"... "THIS SERVER IS BULLSHIT!@#!"...

The reality of it is, it's become human nature to run around and find the problems with every situation. People spend too much time focusing on the negative, rather than looking at the positive. Ultimately, this damages the person that's bitching more than anyone else, as they are never happy, and ultimately anything that should be relaxing leisurely only causes them more and more stress.

I'd really think hard before putting up a fresh server, but that's just me. On the otherhand, I know of several servers in need of skilled devs (DB and Source).

Dax

[John Adams]

As I've always said, the only people to "suffer" from a server going tits up are the players. Admins can walk away, and usually toss up another server in a few mos to try new ideas. Take Zeb/Abyss as a prime example. There are upwards of 10,000 characters created in that database, most of them level 70. That means, people really put a lot of effort into their toons to get where they got. The server went down, came up under a new admin. Went down again, up again (for donations), then down again... now it is up again, but about to go down for maybe the last time.

Why? Because players have this mentality that they can come to a server and call the admin and GMs names, or berate them, or act disrespectful considering the immense effort behind running "a public server". No respect? Accusations? Mass hysteria and panic? Heroic efforts made in /ooc to drive players from the server because one dude doesn't agree with the content?

Server: Dead.

Admins honestly do not need this grief. And, I no longer have any disrespect for those who try and get beaten to death by ungrateful little fuckers who game on their hardware for FREE.

/rant off
WTS DB, free.

[gernblan]

Originally Posted by TheLieka

It really is kinda of ironic how much work goes into a server that "sucks". A guy can spend 720 hours tweaking code, database, hardware, network, etc, and there will be players that spend all their time bitching about things: "WHY DOESN'T FRENZY WORK?!"... "WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REBOOT FOR AN UPDATE?!#$!@"... "THIS SERVER IS BULLSHIT!@#!"...

The reality of it is, it's become human nature to run around and find the problems with every situation. People spend too much time focusing on the negative, rather than looking at the positive. Ultimately, this damages the person that's bitching more than anyone else, as they are never happy, and ultimately anything that should be relaxing leisurely only causes them more and more stress.

I'd really think hard before putting up a fresh server, but that's just me. On the otherhand, I know of several servers in need of skilled devs (DB and Source).

Dax

Believe me, being a serverop is NO picnic.

Everything Dax said here is true.

It is one of the most painful things one can do.

Imagine, payout mostly out of your pocket quite a sum of money for a good server with a good connection. Then spend all of your free time slaving over it. Then be in game as much as possible to "be there" for the players and help them out. Then scream at walls begging the emu developers just to listen to you when you try to help them either with code submissions or bug reports, mostly to no avail (thank GOD for KLS but I feel guilty bothering her!). Then deal with other serverops constantly trying to worm their way on to your dev team so that they can try to turn your server into their own non-legit playpen, but actually DO little or no work on it. Then deal with players who act all perfectly helpful and beg to be GM staff "so that they can help out a server they care so much about" turn on you once you give them a bit of that trust and hand all of their friends GM items, or worse. Then deal with the complaints on the forums from people who won't even donate a dollar acting as if you owe THEM anything they want even though they get to play for free. Then try to keep your own head screwed on while you realize that at the end of the day, you're alone, paying a huge bill for a server nobody really appreciates and is just looking for ways to take advantage of.

Shall I continue?

Seriously, JOIN the staff of a struggling server that's been around for awhile and help them out. Don't make this problem worse. There are custom servers like mine that would give you your hearts desire in implementing custom code.

Jest3 is always looking for developers. Or go join another server. But for godsakes don't make this any tougher on those of us who are already struggling just to find some sort of comradeship here. Please.

Find out if you WOULD be happy donating your code to eqemu as a whole and see if there is a server whose team you'd be happy with BEFORE you run off and start yet another half-finished server.