Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.

[devn00b]

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

[Darkwaters]

Wow to say the least sorry to hear you wish to leave /dev/noob.
As far as the way this system has changed over the last few years and I mean years because Lethal came to this board long after I did when this project first started. I've left and come back a few times because the game just gets to you this way. But folks your supposed to be a TEAM which means pulling through the tough shit like your fucking family and getting off your fucking high horses. I mean all of ya. I have more knowledge of O/S than all of you here don't make me special and it certainly doesnt make me a coder. I see one failure, you all try your asses off, expect the same glory over and over; from each flame, to each success, to pointing out where something could be done, but no one wants to or my fucking favorite my server is too L33t to have to worry bout even though its not fucking up yet. This was probably the L33test place to be a few years ago and your all turning into fucking cry babies. Get over it and don't flame me cuz if you were honest just one fucking time in your life you'd see your spending all this time bitching or expecting something and dangling taking the shit away even though others have put the same type of commitment into testing, db's, being here on the forum helping peeps and chattin it up, bug reporting, packet collecting, etc etc etc. The real point is cut the shit, work like a team, or go on and leave a community of people that actually give a shit about the project and understand your commitments.
This was probably the worst attitude I've ever seen. I'm disabled so flame me but realize I speak nothing but the truth. If you really were that concerned about the project why the hell isn't there a back-up somewhere for purposes of such issues like Image?
I'm staying, but I'm freaking pissed you all would stoop to such levels here knocking each other over petty differences when you all seem to wish the same end result.
Fucking confused,
Darkwaters

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by dark_one

also... rogean...

the dev team obviously has biased views against devn00b and/or image... if devn00bs access was removed for fear of having access to other things was LE's BS's Khuong yours or anyone elses dev access removed?? just a thought...

another thing,
its obvious everyone ganged up on image just beacuse he made and executive decision that melwin was not fit for the part, which in my opinion is completly right... you say that the dev team all has the same voice.. rogean, that cannot be possible, you must have some kind of leadership in projects like this, in buisness projects, in anything... you cannot have everyone with the same ammount of authority, image obviously should of had higher voting status than you or any of the other devs excluding lethal for reasons i don't know... and if this was not true, then your leadership team is most defiantly flawed.

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

Darkone, We all agreed that issues would be voted on. Thats what we were doing, voting. Then image felt like he had to start removing our access to SCM/SF when he didn't get his way.

devn00b's access was temporarily removed because, as I have said before, most of us know how close image and dev were, and the possibilities that image had access to a lot of dev's things.

[bbum]

image refused to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the dev team had made a decision, and he felt he had superior powers to override the vote

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team :D ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

[Darkwaters]

There's more to the story than a simple vote and it's only fair we know it after all the rip-roaring flamage I've witnessed in just one thread.
Still pissed about the way people are acting atm
Darkwaters

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by /dev/n00b

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

Read my post above. I have also said the same thing in a previous post.

If that's how you feel dev, then it was good to know you. If indeed you would have stayed if this situation had not happened then I am sorry we did not communicate in a better fashion. Good luck.

[dark_one]

Originally Posted by bbum

hmm one vote started all this.. ive found when you have to vote on issues instead of talk to an agreement its never a good sign for a dev team ..can you tell us what the vote was on? im just curious.. must be somethin huge if it caused image to do that stuffs.. he must of felt really strong about whatever it was

bbum... they invited someone who 'piggs' people on the fucking forums to be a developer...

my god... could it be that image was right?


god damn he fucking did nothing and image did everything...
*gasp* could it be that image is right and the devs were wrong?
wow... would that be much of a change?

[devn00b]

It was because image (myself included in this as we where talking one night) thought it was stupid that somone that isnt a real dev (melwin) should have admin status to the board while somone else who is a real dev (doodman) doesnt. And also having too many people with Admin access to the forums is a bad idea for the simple fact that it makes it easyer for a hacker to gain access to the system. Alot easyer to find 1 weak password out of 10, than to find 1 weak password out of 4.

[bbum]

theres nothing wrong with having board moderators who arnt devs. melwin is a good mod too btw

and just becaues they can contribute to eqemu doesnt make them a good forum mod.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by /dev/n00b

It was because image (myself included in this as we where talking one night) thought it was stupid that somone that isnt a real dev (melwin) should have admin status to the board while somone else who is a real dev (doodman) doesnt. And also having too many people with Admin access to the forums is a bad idea for the simple fact that it makes it easyer for a hacker to gain access to the system. Alot easyer to find 1 weak password out of 10, than to find 1 weak password out of 4.

A vote for giving melwin forum admin access was made because melwin was the only person that was trying to organize and pull the boards together. Most (if not all) of the current admins werent doing anything about this.

I honostly doubt that the real reason that you voted no was because 'it makes it easier for hackers'.

But, once again, the point of removing image was not that we wanted melwin so bad, it was that we established the rule that we vote on issues like these, and image felt like he had to override and remove our access when he didn't get his way.

[dark_one]

Originally Posted by bbum

theres nothing wrong with having board moderators who arnt devs. melwin is a good moderator to btw

its not a hard job... if you can read, if you can type, if you can click a mouse
you've got access..

[dark_one]

Originally Posted by dark_one

the point is, you always have to have some kind of leadership and frankly image is the only one up to the job, then and now..

tell me if im wrong...

[Darkwaters]

It really should have been 2 Forum Admins maybe 3 for off vote for ties. The rest get access to a special forum of their own special talents to work there and leave the general public a way to post their issues in a forum regulated by the Forum Admins not the special talent forums users. ie 3rd party, world building, etc
Would have eliminated a large number of access right issues and those 2 or 3 admins would be the main peeps while special talent groups could chose a moderator for their respective forum. Just an idea for the next saga.
Hope someone realizes out of all of you that it really sucks to see people I know were awesome back in the day all working together now siding one way or the other. The side you all ought to be on is clear EQEmu. Well I get to head to the hospital tomorrow for surgery I hope my account is still here after saying I was upset by this thread. So my comments are done I can't spare anymore aggrivated frustration atm. I really hope you all can come together and work this out.
Darkwaters

[bbum]

Originally Posted by /dev/n00b

here is my reply.

Rogean was your access removed? LE's? Wiz's? Melwins? Doodmans? no. to single me out of the crowd is complete bullshit.
Im not comming back. Not the way the team is now.

your not comming back because of 'the way the team is now' ... try being alittle more specific.. tell them what you want to happen before you return..

[dark_one]

Originally Posted by /dev/n00b

I have done nothing but give. I will not come back to this project till wiz/melwin/LE are all gone. Maybe then I would consider comming back.

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