Scorp site down maby server

wize_one · #1 09-23-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thorndruid

The End User License Agreement - or EULA - is a legally binding contract between the developer or publisher of a software program (or application) and the purchaser of that software. However, unlike the purchase of goods or services, the EULA is, as its name implies, a license agreement. In other words, the purchaser does not own the software, they merely have a right to use it in accordance with the licence agreement.

"That means we do not own the Everquest game, we lease it"

Also this i just found does not look good...
http://www.eff.org/IP/Emulation/Blizzard_v_bnetd/

EULA are friggin chokers.

then why when i log in to live.. on server select, it tells me i OWN 10 of 10 expansions??!!

**cavedude** · #2 09-24-2005, 12:26 AM

Yep that's the problem. All these companies say we OWN their software when in fact we are only licensed to use it. If we owned it, we'd have the source code. I guess they say "buy" instead of "license" to not confuse the masses (and I'll tell ya - they are easily confused) but it's still a lie anyway you look at it.

Sakrateri · #3 09-24-2005, 01:26 AM

So, If they they tell me to "buy" thier software and to "purchase" thier expansions and I do and then find out that I have not either "bought " nor "purchased" anything more then a license to use said product then would this not be a clear cut case of False Advertising? which by the way is against the law in America. Now if they had a statement on the package that I could read BEFORE "purchasing" it stating that I was NOT in fact "buying" anything more then a license to use the product then this would not be true but since I have got to "purchase" the product before I found out I have not "purchased" anything in reality then I sense a possible False Advertising lawsuit somewhere in this mix. Kind of like if I gave $18,000 for a new car and got home and opened the glove box and there was a note in there saying " By accepting the key and inserting it in the ignition I accept the fact that I am only leasing this car from a dealer who can tell me at anytime what I am allowed to do with said car and where I am allowed to go with said car and that I also accept the fact there is no way I can get my money back" Well , its kinda late after I allready gave my cash and drove off with the car before I find the note to do anything about it. Yep , we are all suckers . and there is a new one born every minute !

solid11 · #4 09-24-2005, 03:59 AM

So if I understand this right, once I do not want to play anymore, I'm required to return the discs I bought to Sony?.....

They probably didn't really want us to have those files on those CD's we BOUGHT and would like them back. Anyone have a mailing address?

I mean, we don't really own those CD's, we just paid 29.99 for an invisible account key and that was it. I think we should all send back the CD's else some irate religious group might get their hands on it.

sdabbs65 · #5 09-25-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by solid11

So if I understand this right, once I do not want to play anymore, I'm required to return the discs I bought to Sony?.....

They probably didn't really want us to have those files on those CD's we BOUGHT and would like them back. Anyone have a mailing address?

I mean, we don't really own those CD's, we just paid 29.99 for an invisible account key and that was it. I think we should all send back the CD's else some irate religious group might get their hands on it.

Some things are not what they seem.
you actually leased the game and never really owned the game.
and also agree to sell you soul when you click yes to the EULA.
the disc are just to charge you 50 bucks more to borrow there software.
under there terms and conditions.

thorndruid · #6 09-26-2005, 04:44 AM

I think the idea of liscencing means like getting a liscence for driving a car. You can drive a car, but by accepting the license you accept the rules that go along with it..Stopping at lights and stop signs, signalling etc. You can break those rules but if your caught u can have your liscence taken away and you can't drive. Every piece of software has a liscence even open source and freeware. I may have used lease a little to literally..because with a lease, it expires and you can renew and keep the land/car etc or return it to the dealer. What i see is you own the cds that you buy from sony but liscence the software that is on them. Sony doesn't care who's cd you use to install eq, as long as you have your liscence key. By entering your liscence key and hitting i agree on live you are bound by their rules and regulations. Its just like borrowing a friends car, and he has a set of rules on how to run his car, you dissobey those rules and he gets very pissed if you screw his car up. This whole arguement is based on laws and regulations I am not toally familiar with, and it seems everything is in the grey area, all i know is sony has the clout to what they want. I think scorps site was tageted because (no offence to scorp), the he had donations and a online store with shirts and caps, and sony thought he was making a profit from their product. I don't think they cared about the server. As mattmeck said they just sent the warning for the website. (Unless things have changed?)

tsord · #7 10-08-2005, 03:15 PM

I simply want to point out to the previous post that the EULA does NOT violate the anti-trust clause thingy. IF everquest was the ONLY MMORPG on the market it would. However it is not, and in no way does the EULA prevent other people from making there own MMORPG program to own, mantain, and run and does therefore not attempt to monopolize the market.

Sakrateri · #8 10-09-2005, 12:59 AM

the real funny thing about all this is Who is running the Login Server for the Servers you guys paid for from Scorp?? Last I heard Scorp was running that himself or did he also give you guys teh Login Server with that sale? If he is still running the Login then yall may want to take it easy on pissing him off as without that Login all you have is a nice single player game , Well unless you set it up lan and play with some family . LoL

sdabbs65 · #9 10-10-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sakrateri

the real funny thing about all this is Who is running the Login Server for the Servers you guys paid for from Scorp?? Last I heard Scorp was running that himself or did he also give you guys teh Login Server with that sale? If he is still running the Login then yall may want to take it easy on pissing him off as without that Login all you have is a nice single player game , Well unless you set it up lan and play with some family . LoL

You are Misinformed and heard wrong.

www.getaclue.net.

**cavedude** · #10 10-10-2005, 05:10 AM

This thread should really be deleted before Sony sees it.

Woodlife Treestrider · #11 09-28-2005, 03:59 PM

"3. "Do not reverse-engineer this product."
Some EULA terms harm people who want to customize their technology, as well as inventors who want to create new products that work with the technology they've bought. "Reverse-engineering," which is often forbidden in EULAs, is a term for taking a machine or piece of software apart in order to see how it works. This kind of tinkering is explicitly permitted by federal law