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[Caryatis]

Without help the server wouldn't exist.

That's the line that every server op uses to get donations and its total bullshit for 99% of servers. First off, the only servers that require a dedicated server are running 100's of people concurrently(PEQ, P1999, EZ) and secondly there are tons of free server hosts within this community, just ask.

The big line of bullshit is when people host the server out of their house and then claim to need donations to pay for upgraded residential service and all sorts of meaningless upgrades for their personal computer.

That said, if you run open ended donation systems, you are shady. Their is a finite amount of money needed to host a server and their is no reason to collect money for 5+ years of hosting(get the bills paid with a safe cushion, close it up, reopen when needed). Obviously that won't work when you build half your content around donation items but then its pretty clear whats going on with the money.

[c0ncrete]

valid points, but they have no bearing on the server's status. the primary (implied) argument has been that it shouldn't be green because of the donation system. the guys who are complaining aren't making a stink about any non-green servers that accept donations, just the green ones.

[Caryatis]

True, having never played on Varlyndria, I can't comment on the quality.

On the other hand, the people donating to these servers obviously don't mind and its their money to spend(and lets be honest, if people want to give you money, it would be more foolish to not take it).

[Ozzudan]

Originally Posted by c0ncrete

valid points, but they have no bearing on the server's status. the primary (implied) argument has been that it shouldn't be green because of the donation system. the guys who are complaining aren't making a stink about any non-green servers that accept donations, just the green ones.

Since when is the EMU project about making money or running a business? Was this the vision from the start? I highly doubt that. And no the donations have no bearing on the server status.... having it hosted and backed by Akka does but I digress. Accepting donations to cover server costs is one thing but this guy is running a business here and "I" do not like that. Its my opinion and if you can't see that for what it is then well I don't need to finish that statement. As far as the other servers that deserve green they have been covered over the last few months but they don't have someone of importance to back them so nothing has been done and before anyone starts no I am not talking about EQ Titan.

Anyway have a nice day.

[Paladinsteve]

Maze_EQ, is that you hiding behind a fake account?

THF is pay to win .. its Gold, Does anyone care? I sure don't, people pay whatever they want whatever they think its worth.

I could say the same thing for EZ server, it's also gold.

See a trend here? Once again, I care less and i don't see how it effects anyone, people will play on servers they like, period. I would think like most people like myself, i server hop and random log into all kinds of server.

Is Varlyndria pay to win? Prob, but once again, it does not effect you. People will continue to pay whatever they think items are worth. Im sure they are getting less people to donate to just support the cause. Most people just want the items.

All im trying to say here there is OTHER POPULAR SERVERS THAT ARE ALSO PAY TO WIN IN SOME SENSE. THF is the worst of the bunch if you played there but thats their thing.

I'm getting tired of reading comments of who deserves what due to donations.
Especially consider if you don't even play there. Its the PLAYER'S CHOICE if they wish to play there it's the PLAYER's CHOICE if they donate. If you don't like something on a server, complain on their forums. If that don't work, leave -- its a game.

THE END.

[opyrus]

I really wish people could stop worrying about everyone else putting there nose in everyone's business where it don't belong. If people are willing to pay they must be doing something right but its really none of anyone's business who spends there own money on something they want. I don't know what kind of world people live in where they don't work hard for there money and they can't decide what they want to spend it on. Seriously people need to find something better to do with there free time because they must have a lot of it to sit around telling people what they can and cant do or spend there own hard earned money on.

[Maze_EQ]

Hilarity you calling me out as if I'm hiding under a false account.

You should probably stop making servers bro, your last one stayed around for a whole month.

Kudos to you.

have fun, learn how to investigate.

[Paladinsteve]

Originally Posted by Maze_EQ

Hilarity you calling me out as if I'm hiding under a false account.

It only took you over a week to reply to this.

[c0ncrete]

Originally Posted by Ozzudan

Since when is the EMU project about making money or running a business? Was this the vision from the start? I highly doubt that. And no the donations have no bearing on the server status.... having it hosted and backed by Akka does but I digress. Accepting donations to cover server costs is one thing but this guy is running a business here and "I" do not like that. Its my opinion and if you can't see that for what it is then well I don't need to finish that statement. As far as the other servers that deserve green they have been covered over the last few months but they don't have someone of importance to back them so nothing has been done and before anyone starts no I am not talking about EQ Titan.

Anyway have a nice day.

my opinion that you (and anyone else complaining about the status change of a server that you likely don't even play on) take yourself entirely too seriously is of no less importance than your opinion. if you can't see that for what it is, then you're as much of a hypocrite as you are a crybaby.

as for "the vision"... you've made a total of two posts, and both have been in this thread. so let's not pretend you've got a lot invested in anything other than your ego, shall we?

[Drakiyth]

Originally Posted by Caryatis

That's the line that every server op uses to get donations and its total bullshit for 99% of servers. First off, the only servers that require a dedicated server are running 100's of people concurrently(PEQ, P1999, EZ) and secondly there are tons of free server hosts within this community, just ask.

The big line of bullshit is when people host the server out of their house and then claim to need donations to pay for upgraded residential service and all sorts of meaningless upgrades for their personal computer.

That said, if you run open ended donation systems, you are shady. Their is a finite amount of money needed to host a server and their is no reason to collect money for 5+ years of hosting(get the bills paid with a safe cushion, close it up, reopen when needed). Obviously that won't work when you build half your content around donation items but then its pretty clear whats going on with the money.

There is nothing Shady about any of this. If players want to help and donate they do if they don't they don't. I'm not selling anything on the server. I give gifts based on players reaching a certain tier. It's not like you can pick something out and purchase it out-right. Rewards are based on tier status of how much a player has donated. It's completely legit. In no time in Varlyndria's life has a player had the ability to pick out an Epic or a certain item from a list only and just buy it out-right. Donation packages are completely optional and are linear 1,2,3,4,5 etc but they even stack! You actually have the ability in Varlyndria to reach the highest tier just by donating a little every month. There is ZERO unfairness to the donation system. It's more fair than anything on EMU probably. Not saying THF or other servers are wrong for what they do, as I have personally donated to their cause myself when I was a player.