Anyone hear this CD

[arkaria]

Just keeps getting better.

This poor soul is going about this the wrong way. His solution is the wrong one but some of his observerations are acurate.

[Stealth_raptor]

America's attack on Iraq was ruthless and the world now sees that the justification for making 'war' with that country was a lie. Iraq was disarming before America decided to attack (Can anyone tell me how cowardly it is to ask a country to disarm and then attack it once it starts doing so?).

As for removing Saddam...maybe it was good...but at least he was able to run the country (we all have our ways of doing things, his was just 'less civilised' than Bush would have liked it to have been...and it was that way with the American people too (and many others)).

There is no law that says you can attack a rogue state for posession of nuclear weapons. That is legal.

By attacking Iraq, America IGNORED the UN...destroying its credibility and legitimacy.


Edit: Just wanted to add...

Sanctions against Saddam's regime have been responsible for the death of approximately 500,000 children within Iraq since they began 12 years ago.

If one nation perceives itself to be under threat from another, it may approach the Security Council who will then assess the existence or nature of the threat and sanction appropriate measures. No nation, unless attacked, may act unilaterally with military force.

(Part of the UN charter which the US has agreed to)

America also has the right to stop a UN inspection on its soil and can prevent any American sample being analysed in another country. (Who is running this world?)

[quote]'I will never apologise for the United States of America

[Farrenz]

Sterotypes are the perepsctive of the ignorant.

Your president is killing in name of each american, in your name. And you, only clap your hands. Its cool yeah?

Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.

[Stealth_raptor]

Sterotypes are the perepsctive of the ignorant.

Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.

I did NOT sterotype Americans if you were talking about my post...first of all. (George speaks for America as a country...I at no point stated that the American people made war on each country (although, I know some wanted to))

As for all Americans being power hungry pigs....thank goodness you all aren't.

[Farrenz]

not you... : P

DaniPunk

Being an American punk I feel the need to correct him.

[Stealth_raptor]

I'm glad

[Trumpcard]

If all these claims about America were true, you guys would all have been dead years ago... Capitilistic, yes.. We're not any different than most civilized countries..

As for America and the war, I dont disagree , we had shakey reasons for going in there in the first case. As far as the UN goes though, the UN has always been useless in my mind, UN sanctions have had little or no effect on anyone... The american people had NOTHING to do with the governments decision to go into iraq... In fact, the vast majority of us dont want us to be there.. I have a brother in law that is in the military that is stationed in Bagdad. Does he want to be there? No.. Do we as his family? No..

But Dani, anyone that toasts when innocents are ruthlessly murdered, regardless of where they are from, is an idiot.. You were gaining credibilty in my mind while i was reading that post until i came across that. Once you said that, you proved to me that my initial impressions regarding you were correct...

Should I wish your family death? Should I laugh when you father dies and wish the same for your mother ? I'm guessing you're a kid, because your comments certainly indicate that..

We live in this country, that doesnt mean we agree with every decision that is made.. And you still havent given any concrete reasons for hating the US other than 'I dont like George Bush'..

You're not a punk, you're a dumbass....

[a_Guest03]

Our media lies to us, and your media lies to you. If you think that you can stop your military any faster than we can stop ours, I challenge you to do so. Find the truth among the lies, do the right thing, and save the world. Oh, you don't have time, or the facts? Nobody gave you a militia or a political backing? You don't have the time and money to do this while you earn a living or go to school?

Don't blame me for our "great injustice". If I could've voted on the war, and I could trust my media, I would do the right thing. Otherwise it's a crapshoot.

[Stealth_raptor]

Ok, wrote a reply up before but my internet got disconnected. lol

First up; Sanctions kill millions of people each year, not only in Iraq. They are, in my mind, the biggest injustices in this world. For how many they kill...they morally acheive nothing.

The UN needs more power. It needs to be able to stop countries from going to war with each other and have the force to do it. There SHOULD be more strict penalties for countries if rules are broken...but unfortunately there aren't.

Yes, the media does lie to everyone, only telling the people the things that wont hurt their country and allies of their country. You may see those that are rejoicing because Saddam's reign is over, but you hardly ever see those that do not want any military force occupying their country, other than their own (You also don't see the harassment...but I wont go there).

I hope American soldiers are permitted to leave. What George W. Bush is doing may just be causing more chaos for the future. Oh and...I forgot, you can watch your dollar drop for the next few years because of him.

[witch1329]

<holds up riot shield> Not to get off topic but i enjoyed the blink 182 cd

[danipunk]

Jajajajaja (spanish laught)
And you (farrenz) can call PUNK yourself? Punks , not american punks, look that its different, dont trust in countries, or states, or... nothing.
You are not a punk, you are an american punk more of the system. The american punks, usually call themselves as punks, but wear like hip-hop bands, except ribons and stuff. Punks that I related, are like UK punks, and like spanish punks. You are a plastic punk.
Please, in the next time, make a specification between PUNKS and AMERICAN PUNKS. Only to call the things for his name.

Another thing, is that in spain the republicans are the "radical" part of population, because Spain has a king who rulez the State. And the republicans here are people who wants the king dead. Wants the power for the people. Its very different.

I only was talking about the impression that americans give to the world.

Trumpcard, do you know how much people had killed the US in the last century? There will be like the nazis more or less.
-How many nations had launched a nuclear bomb to another country? Only USA. Twice, Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-Do you know the number of children that died in the first Irak War in 1991, without counting the adults and women? 130000aprox.

Like these, I can say you more and more examples of War and destruction made by the USA , sometimes in name ofthe good fo the world people, or the freedom or... anything.
These are GOOD reasons for you?
If you look at the numbers and you had done maths in school you know that 130000 children dead is MORE big than 5000 (+o-) people that died on 11S.
And if you think a little is logic that if the US had killed 130000 children in Irak, they at least, would try to kill the more americans possible.
Trump, we are from different cultures, if you think its logic to have differences. But you cant deny that USA is the most belic country in the last...century.
I belive in violence, but for change for good. Sometimes Speaking you cant get anything. In that cases violence can be accepted, in others like the USA militars use it, its not accepted.

P.D: I have heard someone saying that rancid sucks. Rancid is the best PUNK group from the american. Its not american punk.
If you dont like Rancid, you hadn

[Farrenz]

Jajajajaja (spanish laught)
And you (farrenz) can call PUNK yourself? Punks , not american punks, look that its different, dont trust in countries, or states, or... nothing.
You are not a punk, you are an american punk more of the system. The american punks, usually call themselves as punks, but wear like hip-hop bands, except ribons and stuff. Punks that I related, are like UK punks, and like spanish punks. You are a plastic punk.
Please, in the next time, make a specification between PUNKS and AMERICAN PUNKS. Only to call the things for his name

lol...Its quite obvious you know nothing about Punk in the United States. Its your sterotypical attitude that makes you the dumbass Trump pointed you out as.

Rancid is from America...wtf are you talking about, but I do agree that they are awsome, Along with Anti-Flag, The Casualties, The Exploited, F-Minus, The Unseen, Operation Ivy, and The Virus (not to mention the 100's of other local bands).

[Trumpcard]

The Misfits and Black Flag...

Enough said....

I love this one, it needs to be on a tshirt..

I belive in violence, but for change for good. Sometimes Speaking you cant get anything. In that cases violence can be accepted, in others like the USA militars use it, its not accepted.

My violence is cool, yours is dumb! naa naa nee naa naa

LMAO

[Stealth_raptor]

Speaking can get you someplaces, although it's the lack of wanting to compromise that upsets things. A child wants an apple, another child wants that same apple, cut it in half. Unfortunately...that's not always the case...and the bigger child usually gets the apple.

[DaGrahamster]

Wow....Danipunk....wow.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of America either. I am an American, but the way this country is going nowadays.....
Ever since 9/11 we have basically become ultra-power-trip egomaniacal self-righteouss bastards. People (not ALL people, but almost all the people in power both politically and corporately) in the country are in general greedy, shallow, prejudice, hypocritical, violent-prone, prudish, closed-minded, and as I said before, self-righteouss. I don't even want to live in this country when I'm an adult.

That is not to say that they are bad people. I don't hate anyone, no matter what their actions or beliefs, and no matter what their beliefs, I think they have the right to think, and to (non-violently) express that. That is freedom of speech and I strongly believe in that.

There's a quote, I don't know who said it, but it goes something like:
"I don't agree with what you say, but I would give my life for your right to say it."

I would give my life for that too, and that is the essence of America, of what America is SUPPOSED to be, but sadly, isn't anymore.

But what you said about 9/11 Danipunk:

When the Twin Towers fall in 11S, I drink a toast with my friends and make a big party with a big big joint.

That's just ignorant and does nothing to help the state the world is in. that only acts to spread hate. Those were civilians. They were people who had their own beliefs and no matter what they were, they didn't deserve to die just because of who they are.

That said, the same goes for Muslims. I can't stand it when people persecute Muslims for 9/11. That's not what Islam is about. That's not what any religion is about.

P.S. Farrenz, love the quote man. :twisted:

Not all Americans are capitialist power hungry pigs looking to rob the world blind.

Those people are known as Republicans.

Pretty gross generality, but yeah. So true, so true.

You should all read a little book (graphic novel, really) called Watchmen, and for that matter, V For Vendetta. In both of those there are many parallel themes to what is said in this forum.