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04-16-2004, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Hades
it is a really gimp disscussion from people who dont know the facts on most of what they are talking about. i dont feel like going back through but seriously some of the stuff you guys say makes my head hurt...
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Yet you posted anyway. Thanks for your opinion. And next time, please bring capitalization and proper spelling.
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04-16-2004, 11:41 AM
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hades = gimp
If you don't like the conversation, don't reclick the link
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04-16-2004, 12:15 PM
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Media
To better understand such things intelligently, it's best to get the news from many sources. Sad to say, main stream medias follow regulations that the government sets up(forget what they're called), preventing news stations such as CNN and FOX from broadcasting news that would bring up questions about the war. That being said, it's best to watch CNN as well as the BBC and such.
Another thing to understand that this war on terror thing is something dramatized and, for that matter, made up by the government, letting the people of the U.S. swallow portion after portion of manufactured fear. Believe me, there are people that hate us to death but going the leaders of them aren't living in holes. Hell, Bin Laden has a disease that keeps him down all the time. It could be because our good pal Mr. Bush is dear friends with real enemies: The Saudis. I'm not being sarcastic when I say 'dear friends.'
I'm regurgetating a lot from Dude Where's My Country but it's good to keep an eye out for those types of things. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blindly hating the 'system' or just being rebellious. I'm just saying it's good to be aware and get the whole picture whether you like it or not
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04-16-2004, 12:21 PM
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Re: Media
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Originally Posted by dazmyt
Sad to say, main stream medias follow regulations that the government sets up(forget what they're called), preventing news stations such as CNN and FOX from broadcasting news that would bring up questions about the war.
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Huh ? I thought the USA was the 'land of the free' ? You make it sound like a communist state. I live in the UK, but surely the US government can't regulate your news like that, can it ?
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04-16-2004, 01:53 PM
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Media
Not to say it fully controls the media. If you look at the stations in the U.S., you will see there's no difference between nation channels; the same thing is always reported on TV here.
Communist does not mean evil, btw. That is the name we used in place of people who were actually facists and murderers. Communism is actually an economic process that doesn't involve evil or killing. It's a common misconception. Not to say that I'm a communist, hehe.
Hey, but on the bright side: there's always Chappel's Show 
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04-16-2004, 02:24 PM
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Re: Media
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Originally Posted by Derision
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Originally Posted by dazmyt
Sad to say, main stream medias follow regulations that the government sets up(forget what they're called), preventing news stations such as CNN and FOX from broadcasting news that would bring up questions about the war.
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Huh ? I thought the USA was the 'land of the free' ? You make it sound like a communist state. I live in the UK, but surely the US government can't regulate your news like that, can it ?
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No, it can't, although there are a lot of arguments that certain broadcasting companies are too opinionated. People who are upset with the current situation try to make America look like some kind of facist nation under our current president, which isn't quite right. While you may not be satisfied with what the president is doing, it's not like we're turning into Nazi Germany at an alarming pace.
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04-16-2004, 02:48 PM
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Re: Media
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Originally Posted by gtex
While you may not be satisfied with what the president is doing, it's not like we're turning into Nazi Germany at an alarming pace.
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Check out the "Patriot Act" and tell me you don't see any similarities.
That's my last post on this topic. I started it, but I'm bowing out.  Thanks for the fun.
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04-17-2004, 05:02 AM
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Last post on subject for me:
There are man simularities between Nazi Garmany and the U.S. though I'm not saying people are dying.
For instance, we are imprisoning suspects of 'terrorism' based on little information and racial profiling. Looking at the past, Nazi officials accually went to U.S. and observed and admired our Eugenics program; a program sterilizing people with low intelligence or race.
Bush calls our nation the 'homeland.' The same thing Hitler did. Bush wants us to think that our country is the only good nation and we must go on some sort of journey to cleanse the world of non-American ways.
Honestly, this thread should stop now, though. I'm not here to talk politics. I'm here to play EqEmu 
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04-17-2004, 06:00 AM
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it is a really gimp disscussion from people who dont know the facts on most of what they are talking about. i dont feel like going back through but seriously some of the stuff you guys say makes my head hurt...
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Is this really what a gimp means ? "People that dont know what there talking about"
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04-17-2004, 05:57 PM
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Must be......
also may explain why i am also ignored.....:(
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04-17-2004, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dazmyt
Sad to say, main stream medias follow regulations that the government sets up(forget what they're called), preventing news stations such as CNN and FOX from broadcasting news that would bring up questions about the war.
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Actually there is nothing further from the truth, I have many friends over there right now, (I live on Fort Hood, which is where 4ID and First Cav are from) including my wife who has been there for 3 months now. Everyone I get e-mails from or get to chat with is so surprised at how much info is being given out via the news. So this whole statement is untrue.
Here is a copy of an e-mail that is being passed around the army
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Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
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Everyone seems to be so good at finding statistics but missed most of these, there true look them up.
First post for me in a long time, this is just too close to home, seeing people wine and complain about this wile my neighbor 3 doors down lost her husband, her 3 kids lost there father, and as she put it so elegantly " He is a hero, he is protecting people from the devils of the world, its the people that cant see this and condemn him that hurts me so bad"
If you have never been over there, if you haven
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04-18-2004, 04:57 AM
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Dragon
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Originally Posted by Jezebell
I'm sure they joined the Alliance for political reasons not because it was necessary. And don't forget that the history books you are reading were written by Americans.
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late reply but it wasn't really a book, it was a few pages off the internet compiled together, and i believe that 2 of that pages were written by a russian history major, only 1 page was written by an american in the compilation and it was how the country was split into 4 sections...
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04-19-2004, 01:40 AM
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Thanks for that post mattmeck..... Good to see you around again 
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04-20-2004, 04:13 PM
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I didn't bother reading the WHOLE thing...
My feelings on voting - the core of the issue from the first post (and thank you to Rex for that post) is that there should be NO limitations on voters. I don't care if you're a felon, ex-con, etc etc etc. If you are a citizen (a national or someone who has become a citizen otherwise) you have a right to vote - no, you have the privilege and honor of voting.
I don't agree with what happened. Heck, of all those votes, they might have all been for Ted Nugent - we just don't know who those people would have voted for. But I do feel they all deserved their right to vote.
Please do all get out there and vote this november - I don't care who you vote for, that is your choice. As long as you are at the polls, I'm glad to see you there.
Peace!
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04-21-2004, 09:51 AM
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Heh...
I got about half way through these posts when I had to stop to state something.
I don't necessarily like Geroge W., and I'm more of a negotiator than a politician, but I will say this.
Wether or not you like what G.W. Bush has done with his presidency, he DID win the election. I'm military so I can really vouch for the importance of the overseas ballots that were not allowed to go towards the vote.
Also, when you talk about this hand recounting stuff... Recounting over and over. Allow me to highlight something for you.
Whenever a hanging 'chad' found, it was tallied as a vote for Gore if there was reason to believe it was the voter's intention to vote for Gore (for some reason, Bush ppl didn't have too much trouble dealing with the ballots. hand dexterity or something like that).
With this said, the vote in Florida is IMMEDIATELY ruined.
Because, my friends, there is no way to prove wether or not the machine system counted it as a vote for Gore in the first place or not.
For all we know, each of those hanging chad ballots could have been tallied twice, once by the computers and then again by the hand counters.
But really, that crap is irrelevant because of all those (something like 10k if i recall correctly, don't quote me on it though) Florida overseas ballots that weren't counted. Something like 85% of those were for Bush, enough to give him a decisive victory in Florida.
Luckily, by some miracle, we ended up with the right president (and by that I mean the one who actually won, not the "better" president)
As far as 'total population', well who wins is not based on percentages. It's based on electorate ballots. Gore could have had a 100% victory,everyone in the US votes for him, if all the electors vote for Bush, Bush wins.
Just so we're clear, it's nothing personal.
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