EULA, what a sad thing...

[NarutoLegacy]

o_O

What the hell are you talkin about?

[animepimp]

This is what he's talking about:

Originally Posted by windsofwar

keep in mind its entirely possible to edit the eula.txt to say whatever you want so long as you dont patch i.e "i agree to eat twinkies and have sex with gnome chicks"

This was just the example used to say why its impossible for sony to even prove that you actually agreed to their EULA ever. If you really don't like what it says you can change it every time you patch and agree to whatever you feel like.

[Windcatcher]

SCREEEEEAAAAAMMMMM

Don't you get it? According to 15 U.S.C. 14, the language in the EULA that we're talking about is "unlawful" (as stated IN THE LAW). It means that, even if you have "agreed" to it, you actually haven't and can't, whether intentionally or due to ignorance of the law protecting you. It is unlawful to include that language in the agreement and as such the language is null and void and carries no legal weight whatsoever. We're arguing a moot point.

What really gets my goat is the thought that that text was placed in there by a lawyer. I would understand if it was put there by a dev or something, because I wouldn't expect a dev to necessarily know that the language was unlawful, but a lawyer should know better. If a lawyer put that text there it smacks of intentional deception to me and I can't abide that. If you're going to include a legal contract with your software, for God's sake be honorable about it and at least make sure the contract is lawful.

WC

[Shadow-Wolf]

SW, truth be told, I am so unbelievably burned out on anything and everything relating to EQ/EQEmu that the only thing keeping me here is the desire to see an EQEmu-ZP server working (one that uses OpenZone zones). Otherwise, (and I assure you that this isn't a dig at anyone) I really feel like it's getting about time to move on. I'm seriously considering just uploading my latest ZP-compatible server code, saying, "here it is, have at it," and taking my exit bow. Playing with this project has been a lot of fun, but life is calling me and I'm thinking that it might be time to start listening (no, no one at SOE has contacted me, either).

poopy, if I had good servers(mines currently running on a home pc although i dont really run it anymore) i would definatley make a server using OpenZone and ZoneProxy, But I knew it would eventually lead to this as it seems everyone here is ignorant and cant see how many possiblitys openzone created for eqemu. Lol I still have the video i made of veldona and the other zones on my comp.

[RangerDown]

/tell Naruto I put on my robe and wizard hat. :P

[killspree]

I'm not sure EQEMU can officially be declared as a competitor since it uses the same client software as EverQuest. With that said, I also doubt SOE will do anything until it becomes a major threat to their company.

The minor amount of EQEMU users is nothing compared to the 400-450k users SOE has.

[DancingEskimo]

Couldnt it be considered a monopoly in some way? Also notice that a good portion of the people on the project do not currently play EQ live nor did they during the time they found out about it or even planned on going back to EQ.

[ronaldcgr]

To the person that was calculating how much sony gets out of this per month, there are actually around 430,000 accounts on EQ. But sony has a total of over 700,000 accounts with all their games combined. So yeah...they make a huge chunk of change.

[Fireb0rn]

lol. Sony being greedy? That's like saying anyone who goes to work is being greedy. Anyone who gets a raise is greedy. Anyone who is angry for not getting their paycheck is greedy. The list goes on..

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Windcatcher

If you're going to include a legal contract with your software, for God's sake be honorable about it and at least make sure the contract is lawful.

I've been reading this discussion with some interest, but i just wanted to clarify one point.

There is no such thing as a clickable "legal contract." This is something in which ive actually been in court over, and it simply does not apply. It really don't matter what Sony or it's lawyers say. Legally speaking: A EULA or Online 'Disclaimer' are worthless in the real world.

Sony can use them as justification for deleting or banning your accounts however, which is why i suspect it's there. Keeping in mind that nowadays, an MMORPG account can be quantified as "Property" with a verifiable monetary value - The EULA establishes up front what is "legal" according to their rules and what's not. Outside of the Sony/Everquest world however - It means nothing.

So until Sony starts sending written contracts out via mail, and forces you to sign them in front of notary - Your in the clear.

As for a Monopoly - Everquest isn't even close... heh

With Lucid Visions PvP server going up shortly(next week it looks like) - I've made sure that all my legal bases are covered. I could write about 10 pages on exactly "why" and "how" an emulator server is legal under U.S Law, but i'll spare everyone the details. Sony most likely looks at the emulator servers at this point as nothing more then free advertising for EQ2. Get hooked on Everquest "again", and buy the sequel in 5 months.