I'll probly get flamed for this, but

mwmdragon · #1 06-01-2004, 04:54 AM

This is just an idea.

Why don't the EQEmu team stop trying to keep up with live because all it does is break stuff.

We can all have 2 EQ folders one for real Online play and one for EQEmu play.

If they pick a patch (Say, the last patch) and only work on getting everything to work with it. Make a final 8.0 version where they put all thier time and effort into making a fully playable emulator then we could spend more of our time playing, modding, grouping instead of updating our databases, loosing use of certain things not having a regular server to keep the same character moving up the chain of level, having th elogin break all the time by us patching.

It would make a ton of sence to just say, STOP !! From this patch on do not patch again. Keep these files in a safe place. In a year we will all be playing EQ like no bodies business. Tons of custon content and a steady play area.

It gives everyone a fine point to work towards as well as aim for. If v8.0 was going to be the final "patched" model of the EQEmu even though you would still work on it to get the bugs out ect. It would be a step ahead of where we are now.

I can log on to any server now, but what is the point either everything changes or we move onto a new database, or the character info changes and we need to have a server wipe.

Well thats my 2 Cents.

Swampdog · #2 06-01-2004, 05:01 AM

I think some of the server ops seem to be doing this. Winters Roar for one seems to be locked into a certain patch date and they seem to have a pretty solid user count. I think others are keeping up with live because they don't have a solid established user base yet and keeping up with the current patch helps to grab some of the new eqemu users. If eqemu was to lock into a certain patch, they would have to either concede that once they freeze they will never be able to take on new users who have patched or start offering the files for that patch which would be considered distributing warez. I think that is probably the main reason they keep up with the patches.

Richardo · #3 06-01-2004, 05:07 AM

1>) We could offer a patcher like Winterroar does, unless thats considered Warez.

mwmdragon · #4 06-01-2004, 05:08 AM

But it is not warez.

I downloaded the files right off of sonys ftp

Please do not ban me for Warez. If this link is considered warez please remove it from my post.

I am just giving people the link sony has publicly listed on the internet. They don't care about the file as you need a CD Key to play onthier servers.

I had the link here but it said (I am really that stupid) for some reason.

It was right off of sonys ftp

animepimp · #5 06-01-2004, 05:09 AM

Its definitely against the rules here to have a patcher like WR does, but since they do it on their own site and everything I guess its acceptable but its definitely not something this site would do its up to individual servers.

Fajo · #6 06-01-2004, 05:29 AM

A nother resion is to PACKETCOLLECT u have to stay with live same op codes or nothing would work if thay did not stay with live EQ would be stuck in a enddless loop of broke shit becuse we could not packet collect the correct op codes or collect the database to work right hence MUST STAY with live

Pyrix · #7 06-01-2004, 05:32 AM

Ok I totally share your opinion , but wtf do u wanna do with the ppl who start using eqemu.
I also started 2 weeks ago and got nothing to work.

mwmdragon · #8 06-01-2004, 05:40 AM

I now packet collecting helps fill the database but we can do all that by hand if we really had to. With all the people working on databases now we could have the entire contents of all the Alakazam EQ information sites done in no time. Thats how i did my first database. All by hand using MySQLFront and an item editor that was packaged with EQEmu.

Added a poll to this thread just to see what people think.

I'm not fighting my point, just adding to it.

RexChaos · #9 06-01-2004, 06:04 AM

Patches smatches....just get a solid thing running and split another team onto the patch stuff. As it is now it's like trying to run up hill in a mudslide... with SOE's new clipping... scary huh?

Pyrix · #10 06-01-2004, 06:35 AM

I think the main prob are the user.
I dont mean because they patch and patch ....

Many got a stable version running with a great (selfmade , edited ) db cool quests , items , mobs , npc , new zones .....

But thats it. They use their minilogin and do on their own.
We should all share everything working we got.
Some already fixed 5.7 DR-4 29.05 CVS .
But do they share it ?
No .

If more ppl would help with the databases and coding world etc. the whole process will last less time!

x-scythe · #11 06-01-2004, 07:15 AM

i believe once EQ2 comes out sony is going to stop making expansions for EQ, but you know that prolly wont happen anyways :P they are expansion happy

Virus11 · #12 06-01-2004, 07:19 AM

About Winter's Roar,

It is hosted on their server, so EQEMu has no responsibility towards it. I think thats how it works :-/

Jerrysn · #13 06-02-2004, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwmdragon

This is just an idea.

Why don't the EQEmu team stop trying to keep up with live because all it does is break stuff.

LOL I believe it's completely ridiculous. I've played EQEmu, and had fun, but I don't have the time to constantly fiddle with the files to keep it working, esp. with just a dialup connection.

As smart and talented as the devs are, I seriously question their judgment.

Am I wrong, or is the only thing really needed to make an EQ clone is a graphics engine? (Note: NOT an emulator, but a clone)

-Jerry

wdrng123 · #14 06-02-2004, 06:07 PM

I think it would be nice to have a set stable version created, but I don't think it's feasible.

The packet collecting is used for more then just the database. I could be wrong but I believe it's also used to collect data that also helps in coding.
Plus, any new people to the eqemu scene would be screwed since they wouldn't be able to get the eq game folder from whenever the dev's stopped eqemu at.

It would be a nice idea to have a set version to work against, but I don't think it'd fly.

Wiz · #15 06-02-2004, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virus

About Winter's Roar,

It is hosted on their server, so EQEMu has no responsibility towards it. I think thats how it works :-/

Pretty much.

Distroing those files technically isn't illegal, but since it's not in line with EQemu rules we only do it on our site, and don't boast it or provide links here.

So if there's any repercussions somehow they will be aimed at us, not at EQemu.