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05-24-2004, 07:20 AM
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Discordant
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Originally Posted by Edgar1898
. . . I am a little irritated about the fact that the original message contained a link that said the server was not affiliated with eqemu. Although you might have a different defination than I do, I consider any server that is based on code that I and the other developers have written for the eqemu project to be affiliated with the project. . . Anyways back to my point, please dont say your server isnt affiliated with eqemu, because its a slap in the face to every developer that has worked countless hours working on the code. Since your server is based on our code, it is (by my definition) affiliated with us.
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So, just because I use PHP and MySQL in my web development I'm affiliated with PHP and MySQL Inc.?
Sure, it'd be nice if they mentioned that they're using the EQEMu codebase for their server, but they don't have to. It's an open source project.
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05-24-2004, 09:51 AM
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If you modified mysql and released an altered version, you would be affiliated with them, yes. Just because its open source doesnt mean you can slap a sticker on it and claim its not affiliated. (note: Not what happened in this case with LV, just saying)
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05-24-2004, 11:59 AM
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Demi-God
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If you modified mysql and released an altered version, you would be affiliated with them, yes.
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MySQL, Inc. tells you, "You get to support it."
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05-24-2004, 03:05 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Using that logic - The EQEmulator Project is affiliated with Sony, SoE, and Everquest Live. Which your webpage up front very clearly says that you are not.
We have always been very clear on the code, and have great respect for the EQEmu developers and their contributions. However, we are *NOT* affiliated with the EQEmu Project in any way. This wasn't our initial choice, but it is nonetheless a reality. Our official response can be found in this linked post.
http://www.lucid-vision.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3701
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Are you affiliated with EQEmulator project? :
Good question. Our server is a highly modified version of the free eqemulator source code geared totally towards balanced pvp. As far as our 'affiliation' with them - lets just say our faction needs alot of work, as they currently /con "scowling" - and leave it at that.
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Without going in depth on the various attacks directed at LV by the EQEmu Project. The reality is that outside of the small group of people who visit this board, or play on some of the servers that stay away from the politics and nonsense that go on internally.(And there are some very good and well done servers out there.) EQEmu's reputation is simply terrible. I'd go as far to say, that some of the attraction towards LV's work is because we are an independant entity, and not associated with a project that is largely viewed as corrupt and a poor place to play. As i helped put the LV project together, i was actually surprised at the near universal disdain that people tended to have towards emulated EQ servers. Disdain that stems largely from the actions of your own representatives and developers.
If it were me in your position: I'd worry more about cleaning house, then worrying about who was affiliated or associated with who. You will find people a lot less ashamed to be part of or affiliated with a project that was respectable, then one that was ruled over and dominated by some powermad asshat.
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05-24-2004, 04:03 PM
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Items Master
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Ugh....Mango needs a name change  .
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05-24-2004, 05:05 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Used to be Mangar, but whenever Devnoob seen a post here under the "Mangar" name he would delete it.
So... I prayed to Jesus. I said to him "Jesus.. How can i counter this uber tactic?" at which point Jesus listened and said... "My son.. Devnoob's a fucking moron. Just use your brain." and then he mumbled some shit about Mary Magdalene liking it in the pooper or something.. and sent me off.
So with my newfound knowledge of Devnoob's inherent stupidity - I switched the name to Mango in order to fool him, and it's been working ever since.
Mangar and Jesus 1 - Stupid People 0 : Gotta love the J-Man!
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05-24-2004, 05:57 PM
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Items Master
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Ya um I hope my pal devn00b bans you, because you certainly diserve it.
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05-24-2004, 06:20 PM
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Sarnak
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Join Date: May 2003
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I really hope the above poster is joking heh
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05-25-2004, 12:13 AM
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Dragon
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by Mango
Mangar and Jesus 1 - Stupid People 0 : Gotta love the J-Man!
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Your faction standing with EQEmu residents has gotten better!
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05-25-2004, 09:37 AM
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Discordant
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At the risk of getting myself into trouble, I agree with "Mango." While I personally have never had any "real" contact with n00b (I've seen him once in-game - BTW, LOVE THE LOLLIPOP! - but never really talked to him), I think Devn00b could use an attitude adjustment.
Going from some of the posts that I've seen him make or respond to regarding Guild Wars, I think he has some serious entitlement issues. Either that or he's falling into the trap that Mr. Gabriel of penny-arcade.com described as The Internet Fuckwad Theory.
Personally, I would love to see more devs with the attitudes of a_Guest03 and Scorpious2K. I don't think it's going to happen though.
Speaking purely for myself, Mango, I would love to see you around here more often. A man (woman?) with your vision and dedication to the EQ emulating community should be celebrated, not ostracized.
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05-25-2004, 10:21 AM
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Demi-God
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Thanks for the mention!
I've been away at school for the past 6 months, and it will probably continue for at least another month.
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05-26-2004, 06:17 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Mango / Mangar and mikenune, no flaming on the forums and that includes flaming devn00b, got it? Good.
Are you affiliated with EQEmulator project? :
Good question. Our server is a highly modified version of the free eqemulator source code geared totally towards balanced pvp. As far as our 'affiliation' with them - lets just say our faction needs alot of work, as they currently /con "scowling" - and leave it at that.
That looks more to me like a spit in the face as there is no way you are mentioning that you respect our project only that one of our devs has a grudge against you and you say the entire project 'scowls' at you.
Plus Mango / Mangar I don't think too highly of you or your opinions due to the fact that your icon has Hitler in it and your signature takes a religious figure (Jesus) and turn him into your bitch (yes my family is Catholic if you have not guessed). Also to see that you flame devn00b just as much as he flames you, I don't see you as any higher on the chain of maturity.
Finally I would like to point out another possible spit in the face:
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I guess I can step in here and say the +4/-4 range is my fault. I think its my fault anyway....
There is something odd the emulator does to special attacks ( bow / bash / monk specials / disarm ) that only allows them to work if that player is within 4 levels ( while in pvp mode and not duel mode ). I have assumptions that this is in the client ( I can detect that no packet is being received when a special is made and a player out of that level limit is the target ). However, I am not positive it is not fixable in the emulator, to be honest I havent put much time into that specific..... 4 levels felt fine to me since I had been an old Rallos Zek player like most of you.
Nerd talk aside, what this means to you:
If we extend the level limit to +/- 10 levels, anyone 5 higher or lower cannot hit you with special attacks and also cannot be hit by them. This reduces mele balance, since casters dont really have any specials anyway.
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GuildWars has no problems of the sort with this 'level restriction' that you are talking about and you are saying its the emulators fault it cannot be changed, but posted above it says it 'might' be your fault, lol.. sounds like you are a rather confused man.
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05-26-2004, 08:46 AM
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Discordant
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Image, I was about to say that I didn't flame n00b. Then I realized that my mentioning of the Internet Fuckwad Theory kind means I actually did. . .
I would like to apologize to Devn00b. My post wasn't meant as a flame, simply as a possible explanation of his actions.
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05-26-2004, 12:14 PM
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well this topic is just going to start another flame war.
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