The dream of Classic EQ - and why it doesn't work.

[Wiz]

I still dont see the point wiz. Make it alittle more clear for me.

Is the point: A pre-kunark server wouldnt have enough content? cause thats mostly what im seeing

well i just dont know about that =/ im expecting the level to 50 to feel like a grind all over again, and i mean a hardcore grind where you prove your worhty of the next lvl not the brainless grind to 50 today. im expecting it to be like old days where half the days your group ends the day with negative expierence.

and i dont know about your expierence, but to me going in plane of hate was barly worth it we got pwned so hard. Even later PoFear i got owned with a full group of lvl 50's, to me theres tons of content out there to keep us busy, we probly wouldnt see planar armor on the server for a good few months. the content lasted me back then and i didnt even see it all.

i think if anything it would be to hardcore for all the newbs used to leveling now, especially if hell lvls, lvl 1 corpse runs, no soul binder npcs, no maps no find no teleports no newbie quest gear came back

That's very cool. Unfortunately, as I explained, it's not going to be the same getting pwned in PoHate. If you put exp rates at the same as original live, you're never going to have enough 50's to tackle Hate.

Not to mention strats are available on every mob there. How are you going to do no maps? They are an integrated part of the client,c an't be changed.

And the hardcore grind is going to lose you a lot of players. Less people want to spend forever leveling than you think on a server that has about 50 other people to interact with. Trust my experience on this. I have dealt with thousands of players and their complaints and wishes over the last two years. I'm not just speaking out of my ass here. If you don't believe me, I can dig up some quotes from players on matters such as experience gain, content progression, downtime and transporatation. Are you going to forbid dual clienting? Because otherwise that will rather trivialize this hardcore grind you're aiming for.

You wouldn't see armor for months? Awesome. Players will drop off like flies from lack of progression. No, the content didn't "last", in fact most high end players (myself included) were bored to tears around when Kunark came out. There was nothing to do. I saw a necromancer spend about 50 hours raising Rivervale faction, because he had nothing else to do. This might make you blissful with nostalgia, but not me.

why do you say that? you think they would rather have derv rings be obsolete? why do you call it a novelty?? would you rather have what the eqlive team has created??

Because it's totally irrelevant. People have done it before, and it's hard to get excited over +2 DEX rings. Let me explain something to you. There are two kinds of values. Objective and subjective. Objective values are things like food. You must have food. Subjective values are things like money, a John Travolta movie or an item in EQ. Everyone knows, nowadays, that 2 DEX does exactly jack and shit. It's totally irrelevant if there's nothing better out there. +0.1% proc rate isn't going to cause anyone to cream their pants. Their subjective value will be quite low.

Your the one trying to rip off eq. Were trying to recreate the eq we havent played in 4 years, and we kno it. You cant take eq, and make a better game than eq thats not even on norrath, we know were stil playing eq, its just not fun IMO. but we can upgrade norrath, make whats already there better. seems alot more realistic than making a new game to me, because in the end its really just another eq server but whacked out, and not the quality of everquest

It's called modify. Look it up on dictionary.com. I'm not trying to rip off EQ anymore than Counterstrike tried to rip off Half-Life. I am changing a game that I love into my own ideal image of it. You are copying and pasting the past into the present, in utter ignorance of the fact that things change. Again, you make these utterly and totally unfounded claims of superiority, backed by nothing except empty jargon. Here's how you make a point:

A) Pete is much better at soccer than Bob
B) Why?
A) Because Pete scored 10 goals last season, and Bob scored none.

-NOT-

A) Pete is much better at soccer than Bob.
B) Why?
A) Because Pete is much better at soccer than Bob.

Now wasn't that informative? You'll need to explain WHY EQclassic was such amazing quality, besides what I already stated, the point of the vision and the fact that it was first and undespoiled. Why are blackburrow gnolls so infinitely superior to Velious gnolls or WR gnolls? I love oldworld, but it's not the end-all gaming experience.

not everyone has explored every inch of norrath, and no ones forcing you to look at allakazam, so speak for yourself.

This shows that you have no practical understanding of how players work. People WILL look at allakhazam if they can. That's just how they work, shown to unprecedented amounts by the very EQlive you yearn for.

No. They dont have shitty stats. They are ubar, and an accomplishment to aquire. Unlike in eqlive. That is the point.

Actually, they do. Getting a giant snake fang is not an accomplishment. Nor a mino axe. It takes nothing but a level 20 character for either. How is that an accomplishment compared to say, Uqua gear in EQlive, which takes months and extreme dedication to get? : Or even or Cmal3 gear on WR, which takes a well-balanced, skillful group with good gear to acquire? You seem to be rather blinded by your own prejudice here.

What is it you want me to explain? why eqclassic is better than eqlive? why its more worth while to create a pre-kunark remake than trying to create a new game? why eq classic had better gameplay than any other mmorpg since? i dont think i need to

Actually, you do. Because you believe in EQclassic the almighty doesn't mean everyone else do. You're projecting all over the place. Or alternatively, you just can't argue your point logically, so you spit out more emotional garbage.

well since that is untrue, i will now post every bit of logic i tried to communicate to you in my last post.

Hoo boy. Here we go.

What would be the point in playing on a server where you cant click on a stone and go to the other side of Norrath, when you can on another server ?

you just explained the point.

Personal bias. I don't enjoy the PoK books, but many people do. You're projecting.

we havent played everquest, the REAL everqeust in 4 years. if the server came around you kno you would play it..

This wasn't logical at all. First of all, you have no rights to make claims as to what the REAL everquest is. The REAL everquest is the game that the current owners of the everquest brand distribute. Secondly, things have changed in those four years that make it impossible to go back completely, as I explained, thirdly, the last part of this sentence is exceptionally stupid projection where you try to assert that I share your views, despite all what I posted why this server simply wouldn't be very fun. Or, essentially:

A) I hate broccoli.
B) Oh come on, if I gave you broccoli you know you would eat it.
A) ???

How is that in any shape or form logical? Man, you really need to learn how to argue.

if they brought back the old game just like it was back then, why wouldnt it be as fun? ok its opinion and maybe it wouldnt be as fun for you beccause your a freak and eq was your first mmog and you want to be a newbie again or something.. but playing on an old world server, with old world gameplay and content and mechanics is the best it can freaking get.

Right, let's split this up.

ok its opinion and maybe it wouldnt be as fun for you beccause your a freak and eq was your first mmog and you want to be a newbie again or something..

Ad hominem. Double ad hominem, even. To display what an ad hominem is, we'll bring out our educational friends A and B again.

A) Tolkien was the father of fantasy, he essentially created the genre.
B) You're wrong because you're stupid.
A) What does that have to do with my point? Argue my point!
B) I won't because you smell.

Here's a quiz for you. Which person here used an ad hominem, dismissal of a point on the weak grounds of a personal insult? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't A.

but playing on an old world server, with old world gameplay and content and mechanics is the best it can freaking get.

Oh for fucks sakes, MORE unbased promotion? I believe we already covered this in the argumentative school.

I'm going to repeat argumentative school again, just for your benefit, so maybe you can construct something that makes sense next time:

Making a point and backing it up.

A) Pete is much better at soccer than Bob
B) Why?
A) Because Pete scored 10 goals last season, and Bob scored none.

-NOT-

A) Pete is much better at soccer than Bob.
B) Why?
A) Because Pete is much better at soccer than Bob.

How to avoid Projecting

A) I hate broccoli.
B) Oh come on, if I gave you broccoli you know you would eat it.
A) ???

The simple key to avoiding projecting is to stop assuming everyone else has the same mindset at you. Also known as: Not being an ant.

How to avoid Ad Hominems

A) Tolkien was the father of fantasy, he essentially created the genre.
B) You're wrong because you're stupid.
A) What does that have to do with my point? Argue my point!
B) I won't because you smell.

Avoiding Ad Hominems is even easier! To avoid an Ad Hom, all you have to do is argue the points, not the person. I know, I know, it'd require you to actually say something coherent, but see the first part of argumentative school,
Making a point and backing it up. for this.

So, kids, did everyone learn something today?