Final Post on EQEMU. Was fun...Till recently.

[thorndruid]

Most of you don't know me, because i don't post much on the forums, although i do read quite a few messages. I learned quite a lot from this site, gave me some sql and compiling skills to add to my already I.T skills. I think this whole issue with devs leaving, should be left to the devs to decide, end of story. I will contradict myself a little here and say a few things on it. Instead of pointing fingers and bitching at each other i think you should all (the devs, ex and new) find some neutral territory (not irc), and discuss everything, try to reach an agreement. Everyone should calm down a little and realize that you are working towards a common goal (hopefully a eqemu compatable with live). Bickering only hurts the project, team work is the key.

Thorndruid
"If power corrupts, and knowledge is power, isn't knowldege corrupt?"

[Charmy]

NT

Post moved here http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...?p=95356#95356

Now, again someone prove me wrong, but this also means minilogin source should have at anytime been at public grasp, and it was not

I KNOW the reason the mini-login source wasnt given out was because it was written by someone else not afiliated with the EMU and they wants it closed source, the EMU Devs had nothing to do with its creation and didnt have permition from its creator to give it out. ( they still dont FYI ) They included and kept mini-login up to be nice to people, I am not sure why they stopped, lack of time, lack of interest, or got sick of people asking for the source so they say'd screw it, or some other reason.

As to them giving out the source to there login server well I dont know so Ill let a Dev answer that.

and why wasnt this posted in a diferent thread? You LOVE to hyjack threads for your own personal gain, I will be personaly deleting any more hyjacks from you.

[Charmy]

Originally Posted by mattmeck

I KNOW the reason the mini-login source wasnt given out was because it was written by someone else not afiliated with the EMU and they wants it closed source, the EMU Devs had nothing to do with its creation and didnt have permition from its creator to give it out. ( they still dont FYI ) They included and kept mini-login up to be nice to people, I am not sure why they stopped, lack of time, lack of interest, or got sick of people asking for the source so they say'd screw it, or some other reason.

As to them giving out the source to there login server well I dont know so Ill let a Dev answer that.

and why wasnt this posted in a diferent thread? You LOVE to hyjack threads for your own personal gain, I will be personaly deleting any more hyjacks from you.

Well mattmeck first of all i didn't hyjack this thread just becuase its to long for you to read doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the thread, becuase it has everythign to do with several posts that were posted earlier, if it bothered you so much why didnt' you just delete it or split it in the first place? Probably because you wanted to see what other people will say about it.

Secondly, you yourself said that the devs updated the minilogin to be nice, well according to the rules of the GPL, since the code was updated using the code from the server, allowing it to work with the more current versions of the eqemu, then it became a part of the project. the first version maybe not, but any version there after (which was not modified by the original devloper it would seem) became a part of the main project. Now if the person who wrote it was the one updating it then its a different situation, but it sounded as if you meant the devs when you said 'they'.

Well mattmeck first of all i didn't hyjack this thread just becuase its to long for you to read doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the thread, becuase it has everythign to do with several posts that were posted earlier, if it bothered you so much why didnt' you just delete it or split it in the first place? Probably because you wanted to see what other people will say about it.

There was NO discussion about mini-login you made a twist at the end to seemingly connect it.

Making personal attacks? too long for me to read? WOW you are so cool.

Why didnt I just delete it? Because im not a jerk, I give warnings first.

Now if you would like to continue on in a more civilized maner please let me know. Bashing people the first chance you get just proves my point all the more.

Have a nice day.

[Charmy]

Making personal attacks? too long for me to read? WOW you are so cool.

Your absoulty right, i shouldn't have said anything rude to you, i am sorry about that, so let us continue in a civilized manner.

The only reason i included the minilogin was to help prove a point, and at the end as a possible helpful solution, it wasn't meant to try and add alot a twist to the subject in the way that it probably sounds, it was all to conclude the fact that the devs do keep control over the project with the way they basicly force you to use their login (yes yes, go write my own i know) but still, it sure seems that they want to keep the project alive, but still keep the control they hold over it, and use the login as the relay for all this work out.

Finally i will move it to a new topic to remove the 'hyjack' factor from it.

new thread is here http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/vie...?p=95356#95356

[waternorth]

The fact is... you guys mutinied because he wasn't obeying the rules. Yeah, I admit, the rules count. But, as devnoob said, did you even FOLLOW the rules when mutinying? No, you did not.


Want to know what I suggest? I suggest a public vote, stickied at the top of the EQemu section of the forum, and everyone can vote.

This project WILL fall if the dev team does not get their act together.

[Wiz]

Respect for my elders? That is the kind of bullshit that caused this in the first place. Noone has a divine right to be a developer, including me. No single person owns this project. If the majority wanted me off as a dev, I would leave. Additionally, you come off as a major hypocrite. Please check my registration date and then yours, then you can go about resepecting me no matter what I do because I've been here longer than you.

I'll be over here, using my brain to form my own opinions about people. Sorry if that's too hard for you, but at least now that you have discovered registration dates, it'll simplify things for you even more!

When Hogie left the project because he was trying to run everything, we agreed (including King Image!) that no single developer should be allowed to run things all on their own because it leads to shit like this. Image had no official crown of EQemu. His ego just believed this.

Also, image was voted out. A vast majority of the devs wanted him gone, and to stay gone. It just didn't really happen officially, since he went power mad out of left field.

[waternorth]

Everyone agreed to vote on issues. Looking at the dev section, I saw no vote for imageand I. Great job there make the rules just to break them.

That was back on page one.

Just letting you know, Wiz, I'm not agreeing with devnoob on which devs are good and bad. I'm a big fan of your server (even though I can't exactly play :( ).

[Wiz]

Originally Posted by waternorth

That was back on page one.

Just letting you know, Wiz, I'm not agreeing with devnoob on which devs are good and bad. I'm a big fan of your server (even though I can't exactly play :( ).

Read what I said.

We couldn't make an official vote. He was in the midst of using what power he had to screw up the project. If we had waited to pull access, he could have messed up forums, loginserver, and so on. An unofficial vote was cast in that only two developers opposed image leaving, while considerably more than that agreed with it.

[waternorth]

Okay, I give up. You're right, I'm wrong.


Edit: Are we going to get an official announcement about devnoob and image?

[vetoeq]

Originally Posted by Patreecia

You really have no respect for your elders... i cant wait to see you working for some big company and tellign the boss: '' Man i dont want to work today, lets make a vote, oh and i want to get paid too, lets make a vote bout that, co-workers (co-circle-jerkers imo)

I never really liked Devn00b or image, but, seeing how bad you guys are going on them makes me think even worse about all of you, you are all fags, i hope u die from something really really painfull, and as soon as possible

I just love this one...This should go into the "All web" archives on how to make yourself look like a complete fool.

[Wiz]

Originally Posted by vetoeq

I just love this one...This should go into the "All web" archives on how to make yourself look like a complete fool.

I didn't even bother with the boss job part, the no respect for elders thing was stupid enough without debunking the comparision between one dev in an opensource project and your boss in a paid job.

[bbum]

patreecia, those were the worst 4 posts ive ever seen in my life, half of them have nothing to do with this thread.

and damn wiz, whats up with the attacks on image? he doesnt sound like the kind of guy who should have leadership in eqemu.. but damn you shouldnt talk about him like that.. if image is willing to keep contributing to eqemu without having leet status, you should let him. if he wont help eqemu unless he's king, i guess your probly better off without him.

and if devnoob wont help eqemu anymore unless 3 other people who want to help eqemu just as much leave, your probly better off without him to.

what i find funny is this is ALL melwins fault, lol. if melwin left would image and devnoob come back? probly not, melwin just started it, i think you guys got some bigger issues now.

[Melwin]

Originally Posted by Patreecia

Image was maybe power tripping, but he is also kind of like the boss of this shit, he shouldnt be the one booted off, you should be the one leaving , go on and make your own shit, oh wait , can you?

Your argumentation is flawed. image did not have authority to do what he did. By your logic, if the President suddenly nulled the Constitution and started Holocaust 2.0, he would be justified in doing so because he's the boss (despite the US being a democracy much like EQEmu).

You = failure.

Edit: Oh, nevermind the fact that Lethal is and was 'the boss', not image.